I'm assumming that you're talking about north america.. here in Northern New England, we've had roundabouts or circles for decades... ten or so years ago, many of them were ripped out infavor of a
90degree intersection... I've only seen one built since that time.-Bret
you mean like this one?
nate
Art wrote:
Depends. Sometimes yes.
I've actually seen it happen on occasion.
They've been here for a long time.
Try driving around Washington, DC.
Interesting articles, Nate.
I especially like these statements:
From the second article: "...the Lockheed Martin contract prevents the city of Tempe from extending the yellow light interval where Lockheed's cameras are in place."
From the third article: "In Virginia, a study conducted in 2001 in Fairfax County found that simply increasing the yellow time at a given intersection by 1.5 seconds reduced red-light infractions by 96 percent, which was significantly better than the drop in infractions resulting from the red light cameras they had installed."
I guess my take on the whole thing, since people's lives are at stake from red-light runners, is that camera ticketing can be used, but *NOT* until the legal system is set up to pay a *hefty* bounty to citizens who accurately report a short-cycled yellow, and the municipalities are forced to: (1) pay the bounty without delay and without challenge when the report is certified to be correct (false reporting would be met with a stiff fine to counter people who just want to put a roadblock in the way of the legal system), and (2) Shut down the camera until the intersection's timing system is subsequently *certified* to be within the legal parameters (which would be somethng like 4 seconds for a typical intersection).
Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x')
Did you read the articles you posted? Most site the same San Diego cameras.
2.8 seconds versus 3 seconds. You think the lawyers' stop watch is that accurate? Also they give only one side of the story. I love the way lawyers are crooks when sueing McDonald's for too hot coffee but here they provide your facts even though they are advocates for one side.
Would be a real riot covered with snow !!
Bill
I read all replies here about those bastard unmarked cops. They represent, along with politicians, beauroRats, world leaders, and scuzbags a control over our lives day in and day out. WE must stop the insanity, you do have a choice, no matter what it is, you have a choice. We are weak against them, is what they want us to feel. Sure we are free, but suppressed at the same time. In other words we are really not that free. They arrange loans to us so we can have the nice 3 bedroom house c/w white picket fence and eat home made apple pie. We ultimately pay the price, most of us are living around the "too much month at the end of the money" lifestyle as it is. But how many of the average employees at your work place are getting any further ahead? Ask yourself this If you could start your own business and never pay a dime of tax again, WOULD YOU DO IT?) And because of the sudden found tax loopholes those bastards have for themselves, you could take advantage of those too! So what are you waiting for? Come on, you guys are smart? Or did the public school system help tap in to less than about ten percent of your potential? Did you buy a self help/motivational cassette tape? And I don't mean to lose weight. Then obviously you have been suppressed. The class of people your parents and their parents, parents were able to hang out with would be in no doubt a long line of simple folk with little means to better themselves too. You needed to be born with in the stench of god given wealth, right? The bloodline of the guy/gal with a doctorate from Yale(In any discipline)That's the family you want to become part of, as your chances at true success is now ten times of those of you and me who are reduced to axe grinding through life. This is a true controlling effect. High fluting bankers love us, we make them rich, they keep the interest at a rate that we can just bear, so we can work ourselves to the bone. Then we educate our children by those standards as set out in the public school system so they too can repeat in life as we have. So pay as little tax as possible, cheat if you have to, don't think the BeauroRats don't. Challenge any of those carefully hidden tax grabs ie Red light cameras, Photo-Radar if it returns Etc. Folks these days it seems everyone's got their greedy F&*&^&& little hands in our pockets.
dan h.
I apologize for the long winded post.
And how much of the US gov's money do you think they would fork over to build all roads to be over top of each other? Further more what would you hazard a guess that would actually cost? In answer to 1st Q. I guess since the war is top priority, what with preserving oil rich countries for themselves I'd say may $50.00 each LOL then to answer 2nd, a trillion and a half USD LOL Sorry many I couldn't help myself.
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:24:42 -0400, Geoff puked:
Bridges cost a fortune and don't work everywhere. They've been plugging them in Davie, Florida, and they work great. It's a yield sign, and you can pretty much just blow through the intersection if your timing's right. It takes some getting used to, but once you do they're great.
-- lab~rat >:-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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