Re: GM's Dick Wagonwheel dont wanna rub butts in bed with french

Toyota Sienna is about 90% American.

Jeff

Does that mean they have the higher CAFEs than Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc?

How do the number of car models available or the number sold have any bearing on the quality?

Toyota and Ford each have approximately 11% of the world's market share. GM does not have 66% or even 33% of it.

What percentage of the auto industry's profits does GM have for the past 1 year, 5 years, or 10 years?

Presumably, the quality of a car model, the more of that model people would buy. They would hear from their neighbors, friends, coworkers, the press, etc., how good a model is, and when they are in the market for a car, they would be more likely to buy the one with good quality reports. In addition, when a model has bad quality reports, they would be less likely to buy one with bad quality reports. A similar thing would happen to makes with good reputations or bad reputations.

Of course, other things influence what model people buy, like how much they like local dealers, price, the price of gas and what cars their daddies bought over the years (some people just buy Ford F150s every five years and have been happy doing that).

Jeff

Mike seems to subscribe to the JD Power stats method---"We'll only focus on this small single area of superiority, and harp on it!"

You are confused. A Toyota with a '4,' as first number of the VIN, as does the American assembled Camry, has less than 70% but more than 40% American content .. A Toyota with a '5,' as the first number of the VIN, as does the American assembled Tundra, has less than 40% American content .. The Honda Accord on the other hand has a '1' as the first number of the VIN and thus more than 70% American content Toyota is now saying. 'Assembled in the US of world sourced parts,' because Honda complaint to the FTC about Toyota deceptive advertising practice Do a bit of research,WBMA.

mike hunt

Not so. The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN and therefore has less than 70%, but more than 40% American content.

Not necessarily. CAFE has to do with the average of all vehicles sold, an Toyota and Honda sell more small and midget cars.

mike hunt

Apparently buyers think so. GM and Ford sell more of their vehicles than any import.

mike hunt

I see, you want us to believe that if your brand does well in a survey it is a reliable survey, if your brand is outscored by other brands then it is NOT a reliable survey, right? LOL

mike hunt

The first digit of the VIN means that the vehicle was made in America. It does NOT indicate content. If I am incorrect, prove it.

Not true. The first digit of the VIN indicates country of origin, not percent domestic content.

And the Toyota Sienna is 85% domestic c>>

But if Americans chose cars solely on quality, they'd buy more Toyotas than GMs.

Don't GM and Ford also sell imports? My Escort came from Hermosillo.

Why? Has it been proven that the quality of Toyotas are better than the quality of GMs? How about the cost of ownership? All I have seen here are some opinions (and some good ones, like mine ;-) ), but no real evidence that one brand has higher quality than others. I do recall that the Yugo was not that good in quality, but not much that modern day Fords and GMs and bad quality.

Of course GM and Ford sell more of their vehicles than any import? Why would an import car maker sell Fords and GMs? Mazda sells the Ford Escape as a Mazda Tribute and the Ford Ranger as a B210.

But there are very few import brands that sell GM and Ford vehicles.

Jeff

Jeff

You are correct, a '4' indicates it is made in the US, of less than 70%, but more than 40% American content. A '1' means more than 70% American content. A '5' means less than 40% American content. Why do you think the US has THREE different digits to designate made in the US and not one like the '2' that indicates Canada or the '3' that indexes Mexico?

mike hunt

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Really, if what you believe to be true, was actually true, why then does the Accord NOT have a '4' instead of a '1?' ;)

Yes they do, around 18% of the vehicles sold in the US by Ford are made in Canada and Mexico. Around 20% for GM. Toyota on the other hand nearly 80% of theirs are imported, not counting the ones from the GM/Toyota plant in California. Most of the parts, for the vehicles Toyota assembles in the US, are imported.. Even their current advertisement now say, made in the US of world sourced parts because of Honda compliant to the FTC.. mike hunt

I don't know. But all the indications I get are that the Toyota Sienna has

85% domestic content. Except for what you say, I have not seen any indications that the number indicates anything other than the vehicle was made in America. I have backed my claims. How about backing yours?

Your repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.

Certainly, my sources could be wrong, for example, based on the same incorrect report. But, considering that I found several sources that show the first digit just indicating the place where a vehicle is made an no indication of percent domestic content, and that I have found several sources that indicate that the Toyota Sienna has over 84% domestic content, I would have to suggest that you're incorrect.

Back your claims if you are correct. Repeating the same crap over and over again doesn't make it smell better.

Jeff

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