I dont think this is necessarily a troll. I am a senior citizen. I
have always bought American made vehicles. In nearly 40 years of
driving, I have owned 5 Fords, 8 GM vehicles, 4 Chrysler made, and one
International Harvester truck.
All of these were used vehicles, and all were full sized, either V8 or
straight 6 cyl engines.
Of these, the GM vehicles have been the most reliable, and I rate them
The Chrysler (plymouth and dodge) vehicles were fair, with their
biggest problem being their auto transmissions.
The IH truck was in pretty worn condition when I got it, but it was
fair and pretty reliable.
The Fords were the worst, leaving me stranded far too often and
breaking down continously.
I am not bashing Fords to be nasty, i am just being honest. Most of
the GM cars needed tires, batteries, exhaust, brakes, front end work,
and regular tuneups and maintenance.
The Chrysler vehicles needed the same as above, plus transmission work
far too often, plus their starters are crap.
The Fords needed EVERYTHING fixed all the time. Blown engines killed
most of them, plus transmissions, cracked starter housings are common,
and everything under the sun went wrong with them. One even caught on
fire from their crappy carburetors.
There's one thing I like about Fords, and that is their solenoid is
mounted on the firewall. Other than that, I hate Fords. I stopped
owning Fords 30 years ago, except for my current Ford F150 pickup
truck. My current car is an Olds and I have driven it for 8 years
with only the standard problems I listed above, plus a timing chain
replacement. I got 240,000 miles on it now. The F150 truck is a
little better than the Ford cars, but it still needs repairs
I have only had to junk one of the GM vehicles because the engine
failed (at 300,000). The biggest reason I have had to get rid of them
is because the frames rust out. The chryslers I junked because of a
combination of frame rustouts and transmissions failing far too often.
The Fords, I junked because of blown engines, engine fires,
transmission failures, and just because I was tired of being stranded
and paying every cent I earned to fix them.
I plan to sell this truck soon, and I will never buy another Ford car,
truck, or anything. I will stick to GM from now on. There is one
exception to this. I will never buy another GM FWD compact car.
Thats one exception to my good luck with GMs. I got an Olds 4 cyl
compact, and all I can say "what a piece of shit".
Just my honest opinion!!!!
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And a lot of us have had exactly the same experiences you relate, except
with GM cars. My friends all drive Chevys, and there ain't a time when
somebody doesn't need a new tranny or have an engine on the hook.
Engine fires? Cracked starter housing? I've owned many Fords and have never
experienced either one of these things. I've never driven one less than
200,000 miles, and that includes 302, 352, 390, 400, 429 V-8s, 2.8 V-6, and
2.3 inline 4. The only reason I ever open my hood is to check fluids. The
most recent mechanical failure I had was a bad thermostat 2 years ago.
You say that you are merely a senior citizen sharing your experiences, but
your actions say otherwise. Posting crap to this group and even going so
far as to build a Flaming Fords website says that you are way more than you
claim to be.
Liar liar, pants on fire.
My Dad has been driving for over 40 years. His first & last car was a Ford.
The rest were all GM's including his present 1989 Pontiac 6000 which is 15
years old & still starts on 1/2 a starter turn. I truly beleive that GM's
are better than fords. To each his own, this is just my opinion.
i felt i had to chime in on this tread.
this is a true story - mine. isn't one of those happen to my buddy type
in the 1960's and 70's, i owned 6 oldsmobiles. most gave satisfactory
service, but like any other car, they did have their share of problems.
and i've had the damnest things happen that people would say, "aw, that
here are some facts.
i had a 1960 model ford that the automatic transmission blew up at a
dead stop at idle. just put it in reverse to back up and heard a pop or
snap. the piece that clamps the reverse band broke and shot through the
top of the case leaving about a 3" hole. was still able to drive the
car 50 miles to get back home and get transmission replaced. did ford
make a bad car?
i had a 1965 olds 98, was backing up doing about 5 mph, when the
transmission blew up. in this case, one of the planetary gears in the
front set had "crystalized" (not my words - but mechanic) and was
brittle and just shattered and locked up the gear set. again, i was
able to drive the car. had no low or reverse. did GM make a bad car?
by the way, that is the only time, i've ever had any trouble out of the
transmission since i've been driving, other than one areostar.
i have acquired 6 mustang GT's. they are my pride and joy. they are
made to be driven hard and put away wet. and they don't give me any
trouble, but if they were. am i to say that ford made a bad car?
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
this all boils down to one thing. you get what you pay for. you can not judge a
new ford as a ps when all you buy are used cars. you have no idea what abuse
the car was put through before you got it.i can say almost the same thing as
you, but only the opposite. in the past 30 years i have had over 30 cars and
trucks. 4 new gm products, and they were the biggest pieces of junk i have ever
seen. the 10 used ones were not to much better either. the crysler products
were not bad, but they were a pain to get parts for.i have 4 new ford trucks,
and 3 new ford cars over the past 15 years, and still have every one of them
,some with over 200,000 miles on them .
On 22 Nov 2003 01:04:43 GMT, email@example.com (Falcoon) wrote:
I do agree with this, but I personally have had much better luck with
GM vehicles, even those that were totally worn out would get me home,
while the Fords left me stranded.
As for the new cars, It may be all different now. The newest car I
have owned is a 1986. Personally I dont want a newer car. They are
too small, got those dang weak aluminum 4 cyl engines with no power
and a short life expectency, and they are all far too complicated and
tightly packed to work on. That 86 Olds FWD with the 4 cyl engine was
one of the worst cars I ever owned to work on, and from what I have
seen and heard, thats nothing compared to the newer ones. And, that
POS left me stranded more than once. That is the one GM car that I
really disliked. But the old RWD 8cyl models were great!
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 04:32:53 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
It's too bad that there are so few cars made now a days that are still
built to last. And look at the prices they charge now..... Even
considering inflation, they are 2 or more times what they used to
cost. It's all the garbage they put in them now. Myself, I have no
use for any of those things. I dont need power windows and locks.
Dont need a cd or dvd player - a plain am-fm radio is fine. I dont
want a navagation system, I got a map. I dont need (or want) a
computerized engine (but there is no choice).
Personally all i really want is a body, complete with windows and
seats, steering wheel, tires, brakes, engine and auto or manual
transmission. Power steering - power brakes - am/fm radio are the
ONLY accessories that I desire. Is that too much to ask?
I think we are going to have to start building our own cars soon, if
we want simething durable. I wanted to keep my old V8 GM car forever,
but the frame and body is starting to go to shit. I keep patching the
body, and already welded the frame, but there is only so much patching
that can be done, before a vehicle just falls apart.
You *could* go kit car, though, if you want a pure no-frills bulletproof
design, you have to go back a few years to 4*4s. The Defender 90,
for instance, is hardly changed from the same design they've been selling
in the U.K. for decades. Mercedes still makes their Unimog, which is a hell
of a tank - indestructable and then some.
But cars? Few left anymore - you're better off spending $20K on a mint
condition 60's vehicle.
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:40:09 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
So you're in the UK. That changes things a lot. In the US we have
much less choices. I cant say I ever heard of a Defender 90....
Mercedes is here, and from what I hear they are excellent, but on my
income, I'd never be able to afford one. Only the wealthy in the US
can buy them.
My wife's 95 Taurus just turned over 155kmiles.. and, with exception of a bad
shock runs and drives as good as it did at 45k.. and that was like new
My 95 Bird just turned over 172kmiles.. the previous ran fine for 162 till it
I just picked up a beater 92 Cougar for my son with 255kmiles on it for $450
WITH new tires... except it doesnt run or drive like a "beater", is solid and
quick, uses no fluids.
You NEVER BEFORE could buy a car that rides and runs like that for 450 bucks
- EVER!!!! ESPECIALLY with power seats, working air, rear defrost power
mirrors windows and locks. AND ALL WORK! AND no body rot!
My Brother's 91 Cutlass Ciera just rolled over 215,000... he's had some
problems but nothing out of ordinary.
And I really AM a seasoned citizen... My first car was a 51 ford... 8 years
old and considered an OLD car at the time.... and there were almost NO 15
y.o. cars still on the road then (1959).
The stuff you talk about is what I want... I like to drive and I like to
enjoy the cars I drive.. You just want transportation... what are you doing
So either you dont know how to find a bargain in a used car or you are
totally full of shit.
YES "ME"~~ YOU ARE A TROLL!
Posting argumentative rubbish on a ford Newsgroup is TROLLING
What make you think this group cares 1 Iota about you GM sucess stories.
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