Re: Toyotas & Honda ETC.

Perhaps, IF you talk to someone who has owned a FLEET of the SAME model(s,) but certainly not to someone only owned ONE of them. Just because you owned ONE that was problematic, or was not problematic, does not mean the ONE someone else buys will be the same, be it good or bad.

For example you keep harping about bad GM vehicles when obviously most people who are CURRENTLY still buy more vehicles from GM than any other brand, do not agree with your assessment of the one or several that you may have found to be problematic. Good be you abused, or did not properly maintained, the one or few you owned.

A manufacturer does not continue to sell more than any other manufacture of the same product if all they made were turned out to be problematic, dummy.

How many VEGAS did GM sell? ANd how many people bought a SECOND one?????

Disproves your theory, methinks.

And Olds Firenza, Bobcat, Geo...

Or how about if the plastic manifold goes just outside of warranty.

I thinks you are right.

And Mike does not want to admit GM is #1 only in defunct debt. Sure isn't sales.

In message , Canuck57 writes

Japanese cars are the most reliable, followed by Korean, European then at the bottom of the heap come American.

It depends on the model. Some American cars are great, other suck. American cars were more likely to bad than Japanese cars, although I don't know if that is still the case.

Depends on who you listen to. Consumer Reports reliability list is similar to what you describe, although Ford is ahead of the Germans even there. Here's the very latest JD Power Dependability data (released yesterday):

The top brand vehicles:

1) Porsche 2) Lincoln 3) Buick 4) Lexus 5) Mercury 6) Toyota 7) Honda 8) Ford 9) Mercedes 10) Acura

Note there are NO Korean makes in the top 10 (only Hyundai is above industry average). You really can't judge by regional origination any more - you have to look at each manufacturer closely. I trust the Power data a more than the CR data because their methodology is more scientific.

D

You forgot Russian and Indian. They are still below American - even though Russia is really part of Europe.

Give JDPower money, and they will print what you like. Guaranteed.

Probably sampled that in Detroit.

In message , Derek Gee writes

How?

In message , snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca writes

We do get cars from India rebadged as Suzuki, Nissan etc. These seam to be OK in fact we've been getting Indian cars since Rover (now demised) used to import their City Rover for 3000UKP then sell it for 6000UKP. Russian cars were imported in the shape of Lada, until our emissions regulations changed in 92, and as they couldn't get the Platinum or Palladium for the catalytic converters, they where no longer allowed to be imported.

BS - if that were the case, why wouldn't Toyota be #1 every year, they have the most money to buy off the survey.

D

From what I've been able to gather about the IQS and VDS surveys, it's a 44 point questionaire with specific questions about stuff like handling, braking, seats, audio systems etc. It's better than just asking which areas did you have a "problem" with and asking the user to check a single box.

D

The fact that is missing BMW tells me it is BS. I would prize the BMW brand over Buick and Mercury any day. If I lined up a BMW, Buick and Mercury and gave you a choice of which one is yours to keep, you would make strait for the BMW.

Or I would.

Does that mean if you asked ten Vega owners and they told you they were great cars, that you would buy one?

Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling

You personal opinion does not jive with the fact the top selling vehicle in the world is a Ford and has been for 32 years and the fact that GM sells more vehicles in the US than any other manufacturer and both GM and Ford out sell all of the Jap, Korean, and European manufactures with the lone exception of Toyota?