Since yuppies tend to live real close to the area they work, wouldn't
it make sense to offer a car that did what they needed?
They don't need something that can go over 60MPH and don't need a ton
of horsepower either.
Couldn't a 1 piston engine be made, no frills, and put in a car? Make
the car out of a lot of plastic, keep a frame of metal of course and
keep the airbag/seat belt safety the same.
Wouldn't this 1 cylinder, 2 speed, 40HP, no frills car be cheap as
hell and meet the "needs" of the yuppie in those city jobs where they
live like cheap in the city?
I'm talking about those, just out of school, kids who are broke.
What would a car like that cost?
While small cars can be safe, there is a limit to how small you can make
them and have them still be safe. Cars have crumple zones. There has to be
room to crumple.
A 1-cyl engine would run roughly. Like a 1-cyl lawn tractor. You would need
at least 2 or 3 cyl. to make it run smoothly. You can still make a smooth,
small engine with 2 or 3 cyl. You can also couple the engine to a generator
and drive the car completely by electricity, with the motor just being a a
source of electricity. There are several thousand vehicles that do this
already in the US. I road in one pulled by one: a train locomotive, which
uses a deisel power generator and motors to pull the cars. Of course, even
smoother is a fuel cell. Too bad they don't have them yet.
Ford and Toyota both small hatchbacks for EUrope (the Ka and AYGO) . They
both cost around $15k. There are also smaller cars being developed my
DiamlerBenz (actually Diamler Chrysler until Chrysler is sold).
So because of safety, performance and comfort requirements, I don't think
you care going to see any 1-cyl engine cars. If you want to go that small,
buy a used lawn tractor or golf cart. ;-)
OK, what about my idea of a 30-40 HP engine? It's not needed to do
80-100mph in the city [imo, anywhere] but wouldn't this help those
people I described?
What's the MPG on a sub-compact sized car with 40HP city driving only?
No cross-coutry/highway driving.
I can't think of anyone that would buy one.... and this is the key to the
equation. Enough units need to be sold to cover R&D, production and, of
course, deliver that pesky profit margin that so many companies seem to
These sell these http://www.thesmart.ca/index.cfm?IDG20 in Canada..... We
have one locally - owned by our local "odd-ball"... Go to the city and it
will be rare to see one. No market = no car...
Few owners will have the car that they "need".... Most will have the car
Actually most buyer settle for the vehicle they can afford to buy and
operate. The truth is buyers buy what they want and/or need. Ask any
salesman what is the last question a buyer usually asked before he signs on
the dotted line and he will tell you it is; "How much is my monthly
Look at the US sales figures in the real world. There are plenty of
vehicles offered by domestics and imports that get great fuel mileage. Most
of the midget cars are sold by import brands. What vehicles sell the best?
NOT the imports, NOT the midget cars and NOT compact cars, from any
The three top selling vehicle in the US are not even cars, they are trucks.
Obviously buyers in the US need or want trucks. Thee best selling car is
not a midget or small car, it is the mid sized Camry. Even the best selling
cars is out sold by the Ford F150, the best selling vehicle in the US for
thirty years, at a rate around double that of the Camry. Although Toyota
advertises they are the number one selling CAR brand in the US, GM actually
sells more cars than Toyota, it is just that they do no have the same brand
name on the grill. Like Toyota, Ford, Chrysler GMs best sellers after
trucks are not their smallest cars but their midsize and larger cars.
Naturally buyers want the highest fuel mileage they can get in the size and
type vehicle they choose to buy and they are willing to give up some power
and performance to get it. Eight out of ten Camrys sold have only the 4cy
engine. The Corolla 4cy actually performs better than the Camry, as well as
getting better fuel mileage and sells for thousands less, but apparently
Toyota buyers are choosing to buy the larger, safer, more expensive Camry
they want and need.
What's you point? Even if only two trucks out sold the Camry, how would
that effect the jist of what was posted, that being that buyers do not
choose to buy the midget or small cars that are currently available?
I'm not going to follow you in one of your circles. The fact is as I
pointed out, the best selling vehicles in the US are trucks, not cars and
the best selling cars are not small cars. Americans still buy millions more
domestics than imports. both cars and trucks. Toyota is millions of
vehicles away from being number one in the US. You however are free to
believe whatever you chose.
You free to believe whatever you choose, I could not care less. What you
choose to believe however will not change the fact that the best selling
vehicles in the US are trucks, not cars and the best selling cars are not
small cars. Americans still choose to buy millions more domestics than
imports. both cars and trucks. Toyota is millions of vehicles away from
being number one in the US here you believe it or not. ;)
It seems you seldom understand what is said the first time, because you are
too busy picking through everybody's posts for something with which you can
disagree, rather than digesting what was posted, thus requiring others to be
repeat things for you LOL
After the WWII one could buy a Crosley, that meets the criteria for a small
fuel efficient, car but because of the low economies of scale ratio, the
purchase price was to close to the price of a FULL size Ford.
If you want great fuel mileage there are dozens of different vehicles
available on the market today that get great fuel mileage, that do not need
to meet US safety standards. They are called motor scoters and cycles. One
can convert one to tryke, or buy one purposely built as a tryke, and there
are even all weather caps available for them.
The question is always who will buy them, except as a second vehicle. Who
is willing to pay the relatively high cost of buying one and who is willing
to ride in something that small to simply to save a relative few hundred
dollars a year?
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