so what's new for the ford 500?

So what does the new Ford 500 have in store?!?!

Is it just a glorified Taurus?

AWD?

It looks nice kinda weird :)

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Nothing in common with the Taurus. The 500 and the Mercury Montego are built on a completely new Ford chassis, first offered on Volvos. 200 HP DOC V6. FWD and AWD with a CVT and available six speed tranny. It will be the bench mark for all mid sized cars. Production is under way. Pricing has yet to be announced, but the street says it will be at were Taurus prices left off. The Sable is gone but the Taurus will be built till the end of 2005 in Hapeville, longer if demand is strong. Taurus prices will drop BELOW the 500, nicely equipped Taurus' will go for well below 20K.

mike hunt

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| Nothing in common with the Taurus. The 500 and the Mercury | Montego are built on a completely new Ford chassis, first offered | on Volvos. 200 HP DOC V6. FWD and AWD with a CVT | and available six speed tranny. It will be the bench mark for | all mid sized cars. Production is under way.

Actually, production starts 12 July 2oo4.

The AWD comes ONLY with the CVT. The six speed is standard on FWD models, with CVT optional...

john cline ii, who hopes that helps.....

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john cline ii

I'll be curious to see how people react to the CVT... I've driven a Nissan Murano extensively and found I don't really care for the CVT..

It just doesn't accelerate like I expect it to..

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Barry S.

Is the new Ford Mondeo based on the same chasis as the Ford 500? Or is it still based on the Contour chasis? The pictures of the 500 and the Mondeo look quite similar.

Jeff

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That is because although the Nissan Murano has a lot of HP it develops the HP and torque at higher RPM's, typical of Japanese engines, than do most American engines.. Torque at high RPM is fine for a manual tranny but toque needs to come on a lower RPM with any automatic tranny to be most useful. Torque is what get one going and keep one going on grades. If you want to get the most from your Murano you need to keep the petal to the metal till you get the RPM's up to get you to the speed you want quickly.

mike hunt

"Barry S." wrote:

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MelvinGibson

Body styling has nothing to do with the chassis. The first Chrysler minivans used the 'K' car chassis. The Lincoln LS, T-Bird and a Jag are all built on the same chassis as is the 2005 Mustang. None looks anything like the other.

mike hunt

Jeff wrote:

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MelvinGibson

I hae a Saturn Vue with a four cylinder and the CVT. Driving it is different and takes some getting used to. However, after an adjustment period, I like it. If you floor the car, the engine speed immeadiately jumps up to around 6000 rpm, and then the vehicle speeds starts increasing to match it. It seems "wrong" but it accelerates briskly. According to road test I have seen, the variable speed transmission provides slightly better acceleration than the 5 speed manual in the same vehicle.

Regards,

Ed White

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C. E. White

I don't know why this idea that the 2005 Mustang chassis is the same as the Lincoln LS keeps showing up. The facts are -

The front suspension is completely different The rear suspension is completely different (radically so, Mustang is a solid axle, Lincoln LS is IRS) The engine and transmission choices are completely different The tracks and wheelbases are different The floor pans are completely different

But, both chassis are both made from steel - so I guess they are the same.

Ed

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C. E. White

Perhaps it might be simply that you don't know what a chassis is? The Jag, LS and T-bird all have different steel bodies and wheelbases. Have you ever actually looked inside of an LS and a T-bird? The Cobra had the same chassis and body as the GT but different engine and rear suspensions. Some mustangs had 4, 6 and 8 cy engines and solid axles yet the Mark VII had an all aluminum 300 HP V8 and air suspension as well as an independent rear suspension, all of them built on the same chassis yet different bodies

mike hunt

"C. E. White" wrote:

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MelvinGibson

Thanks. Cars that look similar can have the same chasis as well (example Ford Contour and Mercury Mystique).

Question: Do the Mondeo and 500 have the same chasis or different chases?

Jeff

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Jeff

Well this is a bit OT but you are wrong. The Chrysler minivans always had their own chassis, which was very different from the K-cars. I owned one of each some years ago and was doing a lot of my own work and two minutes spent underneath would demonstrate that very obviously. The van chassis was much heavier and had a number of extra members. It was also substantially larger.

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Dave Gower

| Question: Do the Mondeo and 500 have the same chasis or different chases?

Totally different. The Five Hundred rides on a Volvo chassis.

john cline ii, who hopes that helps

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john cline ii

Ya' and the BODY was different as well. LOL

mike hunt

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Ed,

I think it really comes down to preference. I just like the response of manual/automatic transmissions. I feel like I know with x pedal effort I will get y response.. Its consistent. I just don't get that with the Murano.

The Murano accelerates ok in Ds mode, where it keeps RPMs higher, but still doesn't provide the "feel" I'm accustomed too.

Hopefully manufacturers will continue to make regular 4,5,6 speed trannys for the forseeable future for people like me..

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Barry S.

The 500 and Montego will offer a six speed automatic with FWD models if one likes FWD.

mike hunt

"Barry S." wrote:

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DustyRhoades

I listed all the things that are different between the new Mustang and the Lincoln LS (almost everything). Maybe you'd care to list what is the same? Neither vehicle has a separate chassis in the way that most trucks do. The "chassis" is a unit body type. Since the wheel base and track are different, the suspensions are completely different, and the basic floor plans aren't the same - exactly what makes the chassis the same? The Jag, T-Bird ,and LS share basic suspension layouts and engine compartments. The new Mustang shares none of this. It doesn't even share the same suspension pick-up locations. The old (current?) Mustang and Cobra share floor pans, front suspension and rear suspension attachment points. It is true that the Cobra has a completely different rear suspension (IRS) but it was specifically designed to mount to the same points as the standard Mustangs live axle. You can literally take the rear suspension from a Cobra and bolt it into a regular Mustang. You will not be able to do the same for any of the Lincoln LS basic components and the new Mustang.

I can only assume you are basing this whole argument on the early press articles that said the new Mustang would be based on the DEW platform. This never happened. I am sure Ford used a lot of the same development techniques and construction techniques and maybe even "morphed" parts of the DEW platform to create the new Mustang, but the cars don't share any major structural or suspension components. It is simply wrong to try to claim the Mustang is a version of the DEW platform. If you want to say it was "developed from" or "distantly related to", then I cannot argue with you. But saying "The Lincoln LS, T-Bird and a Jag are all built on the same chassis as is the 2005 Mustang" is just an incredibly imprecise statement.

Regards,

Ed WHite

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C. E. White

I'm not going to continue to debate this subject since there is nothing to debate, you are certainly entitled to believe whatever you wish. The fact remains even though many things are different one to the other, the 2005 Mustang, the Lincoln LS, T-Bird and the Jag are ALL built on the same basic Ford chassis with the same hard points, whether you understand how that is possible or not. Ford and every other manufacture use common chassis' on many different types of vehicles, as I have already listed. The new

500, the new Montego use a new chassis developed by Ford and first used on the Volvo S40, as well. It is much less expensive to modify, even radically, an existing chassis than designing and federally certifying a new chassis. When Ford built the all new Edsel they used a Ford chassis on the lesser models and a Mercury chassis on the larger models, rather than design a new chassis and it still costs a kings ransom to bring the car on line. That was before federal crash standards when developing a chassis was much less expensive than it is today. GM shares chassis' among many of it models sold in Europe and the US. Practically everything Honda and Acura sells in the US is made on one of only two basic chassis'.

mike hunt

"C. E. White" wrote:

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DustyRhoades

hate to say it again but Mike is right again. The 05 mustang is on the Lincoln LS platform.

Brad

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Brad Coon

You were right about the 12/12 free scheduled maintenance as well. My dealer is providing the second two years.

mike hunt

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