I do agree with you, in that I didn't buy the insurance to make money or
come out ahead. Remember that I just got rid of a car with a blown engine,
so that thought was running around in my head. And, heaven forbid, I don't
buy health insurance with the idea of coming out "ahead.." That said, and
agreeing with you, worst case scenerio, a new car is a lot cheaper than
From what many of you are saying, I should have kept the money and driven to
Vegas -- "maybe" I would have come out ahead.
I think you just run the what ifs in your head and make a decision, whether
its a trip to Vegas or a car warranty. I still think I did good in this
case, but the vast majority of the time I never buy an extended warranty on
I'm generally against extended warranties too. However, I have bought
them on three cars and in every case I got back between 70% and 100%
of what I paid for them. So I did lose money but I never had to worry
about getting them repaired. I keep a vehicle typically for at least
15 years so I look for a very long warranty purchased separately from
the dealer. They run from 7 to 10 years in length and the typical
cost per year is $170. It can be thought of as prepaying for repairs
- For example, on my new car with a 10 year extended warranty I'm
effectively paying no more then $350 a year ($100 deductible) for any
and all repairs (I'm only counting the 7 years after the factory
warranty runs out). If I didn't have the warranty I'd wind up fixing
it my self most of the time (that's just the way I am) so it's also
like paying to not have to work. And while others don't care about
the "peace of mind" aspect, I do. It's a lot different when you are
looking at paying for an extended warranty on a blender, I'm not
likely to get stuck out of town due to my blender breaking down and
have to go to some unknown repair shop and hope for the best at
whatever price they quote.
The Escape is built on the Ford CD2 platform, which is in turn based on the
Mazda GF platform, which was used by the Mazda 626. It's a car, not a
truck (albeit with big wheels and slightly higher off the ground).
The manufacturer designates it as a SUV...Many states did not have the
capability or desire to revamp their systems when registering vehicles
when SUV's hit the scene, so either it was a car, truck or van. As the
first "SUV's" (Large Broncos, Full size Blazers/Jimmys, etc) were mostly
trucks, that's what they got registered with. There were only a handful
of the first small SUV's models (Bronco II and S-10 Blazers) and were
close to the small pickups (Rangers, etc) so they were grouped in as a
truck too. But these new SUV's are so far from a truck, they don't
deserve to be called trucks. Call it what you like, but the Escape is
not a truck. I laughed at the service guy when he called my Saturn Vue
a truck. I said "I have a F-150 - that's a truck, and a small one at
that...My Vue is not a truck" and he said "it's not a car". *sigh*
I'd be more willing to call it a mini-van than a truck.
So a PT cruiser is car based - but is a van by its VIN and only needs
to meet van safety requirements.
And a HHR, which is also car based, is also a van.
And what was a Ranchero, or a El Camino, or a Dodge Rampage????
They're cars too. I seem to recall reading a article talking about the PT
Cruiser being certified as a light truck for CAFE reasons. I suspect the
HHR is a "truck" for the same reason.
Here's one article that says that...
What platforms were they on? That's before my time.
Actually the Mazda are generally based on the Ford designed chassis, not the
other way around. It is no unusual to first sell the lower volume vehicle
before using it on a high volume vehicle. The Mazda version of the Ranger
was an exception, however.
Which Mazdae are built on platforms developed by Ford, rather than
Mazda? Of all the cars that I know of that share a platform for Ford and
Mazda, Mazda designed it.
You're right. The Ford Ranger and Mazda B-series sold in the US, Canada,
Brasil, Chile, Mexico and Argentia is an exception to the rule. It was
built on a Ford Platform. However, the European Ford Ranger (sold in all
countries except those listed above) is actually a Mazda-designed truck.
How are you saying it was an exception?
The Ranger is a FORD design, through and through - sold as a Mazda.
The Courier was a Mazda design - sold as a Ford.
ANd I'm not sure how much "ford DNA" is in the 626 Mazda, on which
platform the Ford Fusion is based.
Same with the ealier Mazda based Escort and the current Mazda-based
It is an exception to the rule that most Ford vehicles that share a
platform with Mazda as based on a Mazda design, not a Ford design.
There are two Ford Rangers. The one sold in the US is designed by Ford.
The one sold in most other countries, including those in Europe, is
designed by Mazda.
Actually, the Ford Focus is based on a European design. The Mazda 3
series is also based on the same European design. The next generation
Focus will be the same as the one sold in Europe, rather than just based
on a European-designed platform.
Likewise, the Ford Escort platform was derived from a European design.
The engine was the same. I think the original Escort was derived from
the European Escort, although it had little in common with it. I don't
think it was until the second generation that Mazda got heavily involved.
Either way, it was a best-selling car.
The first generation Escort/Lynx was even further removed from the
English Escort. The Escort 2000 Mexico of that period was a REAL car.
They were front engine rear drive like the Cortina (and Pinto) but
I was referring to the basic chasses. The "Ranger," sold by Mazda, his
different packaging and trim but it is the same vehicle and is assembled in
the same Ford assembly plant. The previous Mazda pickup and was imported
as was the Ford version until Ford started to built the "Ranger," sold by
It is only the Ford designed chassis that is used by Mazda in the "6," the
drive train, body panels and interior are Mazda designs.
The Taurus, Flex and Lincoln MKS are all built off the same basic chassis,
but everyone is different than the other.
The Ranger is sold by Ford, not Mazda. Mazda doesn't even sell a pickup
That was the Ford Courier.
Finally, you got it right. Before, you said: "Actually the Mazda are
generally based on the Ford designed chassis, not the other way around."
Please note that there are two Ford Rangers. The US model is made by
Ford. The model in most countries outside the US (including Europe,
Africa and Asia) is designed by Mazda. In addition, Ford may stop
selling the US Ranger at the end of the next model year. It is expected
to close the plant in the next couple of years.
Ranchero was originally on a fairlane, then a falcon (and even t
Torino) platform - and actually used many of the body parts and
virtually all the running gear parts, of those base models.
The El Camino started on the full-sized Chevy car platform and
migrated to the Chevelle / Malibu - again using the car front body
sheetmetal and complete running-gear/chassis from the car.
The Rampage was built on the Onmi/Horizon TC3 platform - again using
all the chassis parts and front sheet-metal.
Moving on to the dodge Ram mini-van and the Magic-wagon derivatives -
they were based on the K-Car platform - but used NONE of the K-Car
sheet-metal - not even the floor pans.
Same goes for the PT, based on the Neon platform - and the HHR based
on the Cobalt?.
Because when the rear seats are stowed or removed they have a flat
load floor they are all considered VANS - not cars.
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