I can't see the Grand Marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort
of thing. I can buy one for less than a V-6 Camry with similar equipment and
it will get almost the same fuel mileage. On the downside, it is a big soft
riding barge....I tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasn't
for me (it was my Mother's car and I decided to try it out when she got a
If the Ram and F150 are over priced, then the Tundra must be super wildly
over priced. Toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they
are almost giving them away - surely it is Toyota biggest marketing disaster
in a decade. To big, to ugly, horrible gas mileage, quality problems, design
problems, what a joke of a truck.
She probably didn't get the handling suspension package. If you
option it like police car, or simply order the police package, it's a
great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the
Everything is relative. Compared to just about anything else mass
produced and at a reasonable price, adding the handling package makes
it very very good but no, it's not going to knock off a Ferrari. Even
years ago when R&T (or one of the major car mags) tested a police
package Impala they were getting around 0.90 on the skid pad and
praised how well it handled. These cars can handle surprisingly well
when properly set up, it's really a shame they don't just build them
all that way.
Handling isn't all just about the skidpad number, feedback from the car
telling you when you are reaching the limits, how well it absorbs the
road AND gives you feedback without losing grip through the bumpies,
perfect power steering balance, all those things contribute. I've got a
G35 and a Maxima that are the same year and very close to the same size,
but the Max has horrible floaty handling, 45 ft turning radius, and a
too much body roll. It handles considerably better than my fathers
Impala and I still think it sucks because I'm used to the G35. RWD and
IRS baby, that's the ticket. As soon as the Max is paid off I'm getting
another 6 speed G35....
Maybe not, but I certainly got in the high 20's (27) with my Mother's
old Grand Marquis with four people and luggage in the car on trip to
Annapolis in 2006. In everyday driving (back and forth to work) I
average 21 mpg - almost the same as with my current Fusion, and better
than my SO 4 cylinder Front Wheel Drive RAV4. For comparison, this
year we drove the RAV4 to Annapolis, with the same four people and
luggage, and we got...wait for it.............27 mpg., the same as
with the Grand Marquis.
If you have not driven a Grand Marquis, I think you would be surprised
at how good they are on gas. On a long trip my 6 cylinder AWD Fusion
will beat it by no more than 1 or 2 miles per gallon.
Ah you are so right. The "but" here is ---- given today's more common
mindset among many drivers, it (the Tundra) is made by a Japanese company
and therefore, by definition, must be superior to anything with an American
badge on it. Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up
I have pretty good open-mind credentials on this, because my most recent
purchase was an F-150. I dug around and it was a pretty clear winner.
Things can always take an ugly turn, but so far, it appears to be one
hell of a machine. It's a low mileage '96, but it's still a Ford.
With that said, you can lament the public's attitude toward US
manufacturers, but whose fault is that? I cannot speak to the whole
market, but they produced some real junk 20+ years ago, and like it or
not, it takes a long time for the collective memory to get past it. I
can still remember the Buick that fell apart on me, and the company's
terrible attitude about it. Now you have people not much older than me
with kids leaving for college; what guidance do you think they provide?
More to the point, what are they going to buy, as it is probably
their money, not Junior's?
It is damn hard to win over a customer; it is very easy to send them
elsewhere, and while it was a long time ago, the US manufacturers did
some really stupid stuff. The price has been high, but that's how it
works. They knew that, or should have known it, when they were
mis-behaving. The piper is still collecting royalties.
If it helps any, I have noted that Nissan's attitude toward my 18 year
old Sentra has been less than stellar. Sure they don't make money on
me, but one would hope they would see it as badge of honor and at least
bag the hostility. In fairness, I think it is mostly a dealer (which I
visit only when there is no other choice) taken over by poor management.
However, I also noted a few years ago that Nissan was worst of class
in SUVs or something. Nissan might be in the throws of the same
mistakes that Buick and others made decades ago???
trucks to see the way Reanult works, they milked Mack for everything they
could and then sold the dregs to Volvo.
The media is as much to blame as anyone. Let GM or Ford have a recall and
their all over it like vultures on road kill. But how comes they never do
the same on the ricers?
Motorsforum.com is a website by car enthusiasts for car enthusiasts. It is not affiliated with any of the car or spare part manufacturers or car dealers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.