We see them by the thousands, in our fleet service business, with
more than 160K or even 260K. 60K is nothing to a CV, most have
more miles than that in less than a year. Nobody really cares
about your personal opinion, your disdain for Ford is well
documented in this NG. Your statements regarding the people in
law enforcement says much about you, as well LOL
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:51:23 -0500, Chris Nagorka wrote:
340 HP might be useful for a "high-speed patrol" unit as many large
cities have started, but I think the standard CV PI will remain on top
overall. Ford has a lot of options for increasing power if the Charger
threatens market share.
What's the top speed of this thing anyway? Are we to assume it's faster than
the CV just because it has a 160 speedo? It's top speed may be no different
than the CV, but getting there will be faster.
Even small towns can benefit from this by being able to catch up to speeders
faster and getting around slow traffic a little quicker. Power is good as
long as you know how to use it.
They've had options forever and a day, but have refused to take action on it.
They have been very lax with the CV in total. It hasn't changed since
98.....that's rather pathetic. Sure, there have been small tweaks here and
there, but no styling or mechanical changes in 7, soon to be 8, years.
Change can be a good thing and if Chrysler is serious about getting back to
their roots in the police market, they will probably surpass Ford with little
The PI engine - Product-Improved - not Police Interceptor, in 2001 was a
somewhat significant change. The other would have to be that the
2003-up CV/GM now has speed sensitive rack-&-pinion steering and
Tweaks & revisions are almost continual, but why mess too much w/
success? If the RWD Caprice & Impala were still being built, they would
have likely followed similar gradual developement.
If you want to go w/ just "tweaks & revisions", you could almost say the
CV hasn't changed since fall, 1978!
1990 Crown Victoria
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3978
Wheelbase (in.) 114.30
Length (in.) 215.70
Width (in.) 79.30
Height (in.) 56.50
Track Front (in.) 62.8
Track Rear (in.) 63.3
1992 Crown Victoria
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3748
Wheelbase (in.) 114.40
Length (in.) 212.40
Width (in.) 77.80
Height (in.) 56.70
Track Front (in.) 62.80
Track Rear (in.) 63.30
A 1992 Crown Victoria may have looked "all new" but except
for the engine, the basic chassis and drive train was little
changed from 1978. My Mother has owned a series of full size
Ford products over the years (1957, 1969, 1972, 1978, 1985,
1992, 2000). The body and engine may have changed in 1992,
but if you flip one over, it will look very much like a
Hogwash, there is almost nothing in common between the 2005 and
the 1978 CV, even the frame is different. Just bout everything
has been changed incrementally over the years, the only thing
they have in common any more is the firewall and front floor pan,
"C. E. White" wrote:
I didn't say they were the exact same part numbers, but the
basic layout and design concepts (suspension geometry,
engine position, basic drivetrain except for the engine) is
the same. Is a 2005 CV a better car than a 1990 CV - yes. Is
it "tecnologically" a lot different - No. At no point in the
last 25 years could you point to a model year where there
was radical change (like between a 1985 Farimont and a 1986
Taurus). The biggest delta in the last 25 was the 1992 model
year - new look, new engine, dropped the wagon, but the
basic underpinnings except for the engine were very similar
(if not identical). Since 1960 I think you can look at big
Fords as having had major shifts in design in 1965, 1972,
Rear axle? Transmission? The only part of the drivetrain
that was "new" was the engine (yeah, I know the transisison
had to have a different bellhousing for the mod engine).
The basic suspension geometry didn't cahnge, the type of
parts didn't change, etc. To me, "all new" is more than just
new sheet metal and rolling a few part numbers.
The current CVs are good cars, but they are just a refreshed
version of a 26 year old design (1979 to present). I have no
doubt that virtually every part has been refined in the last
25 years, but refining is not replacing.
Which is why they are relatively inexpensive & trouble-free. There were
a couple years, I think twice, the C/V actually went down in price. I
think once was at the sheet metal & Watts linkage change - 1998. The
other was like 93 going to the 94 model or in that area.
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