Toyota quality

You have to look at it from Toyota's perspective. UAW plant in expensive California.... Just the overhead in dealing with California government greed and complexity would need a small army of accountants, legal, HR and others to keep it going. Why not just close it? Excess capacity and make them elsewhere.

Good cost cutting move. Stupid place to put a auto manufacturing plant in anyway. Probably was subsidized by California government at one time before they went broke.

It was discussed on the group some time ago. IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the bankruptcy. The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone and no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it.

The sooner socialist politicians realize that crippling taxes cost jobs, the better we'll be for it.

>>>> They're made on the same ass'y line in Cambridge, ONT.>>>>>

Apparently the design "spec" was Japanese. Denso makes them in Japan. A North American supplier was needed - the spec was released and the part now being recalled was built - not identical to the Denso part, apparently.

Not likely to happen, but I agree with your statement otherwise.

Bernie Madoff, $50 billion into a black hole and goes to jail, Obama drops $2 trillion, of which $100 Billion or so into GMs black hole. Even more for "select" banks because the select rich deal there. Pretty hard to explain to Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and others the FDIC limits.

Ever wonder why one bank gets assistance and another does not? Bet the government would not want people to see the client lists and cash in accounts for a little scruteny.

And Congress is looking at Bernie like a top criminal. While Wagner gets a $20 million pension from Gm-Caryle. Just depends on who you are ripping off.

Go figure. Have to feed the biggest corruption engine in the USA, Washington DC. Times are tough, some will not be paying for the senators and congress people this upcoming election. I wonder who will drop out.

I believe that it was its mortgage business that had the biggest problems, not the auto loan business.

Most of GMAC was sold in 2006 to Cerebus Capital Management, the people who bought Chrysler.

Jeff

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Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL

Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL

Not just on Usenet, my...er...friend...

Almost every Toyota I've had has had one niggling issue, usually repaired at Toyota's expense, or at a greatly discounted cost.

Usually once that was fixed the car was flawless thereafter.

A gas pedal sticking is actually a minor problem with an easy fix. I'd get out the WD 40 and follow with silicon grease or something similar. And I have when the old cable throttles have bound up thanks to NE winters.

But, some will make a mountain out of a molehill. Now, wanna talk about real problems?

Ford Pinto? Crown Victoria?

I wrote here months ago, that compared to Congress and the current WH occupant, Madoff is a rank amateur.

I had a Toyota Land Cruiser that had a couple of recalls. One was for a problem with welds on the baffles in the gas tank. I can't remember what the other one was for. I had no ill feelings toward Toyota that after about ten years they found a problem that did not reveal itself for a long time.

I had a lot more ill feelings toward Honda when they acknowledged a design issue with the cruise control in my old CR-V, and then said that they had no intention of solving the problem (even though the fix would have not cost them all that much).

I saw an ad in the paper today for a local dealer still selling Camrys and Corollas that are unaffected by the recall (presumably made in Japan vehicles).

Not in the real world. You have a few nutcases on Usenet that are desperate for bad news regarding Toyota.

You were right.

Americans should see this a selective law enfrorcement and proof positive that the government is not in control by the people, but controls the peoples.

Get real! What do that have to do with Toyotas that are runaway? Those were vehicle that were HIT by other vehicles, years ago? TODAY people have and are dying riding in runaway Toyotas, or killed being hit by runaway Toyotas, 19 thus far. Many more than died in CV or Pintos that were run to.

Today one must watch our for drunks, texters and TOYOTAS. ;)

Indeed. Plus, it appears that the floor mats and pedals are probably not the extent of the issue. One TV report this weekend claimed that the majority of fatalities reported to the NHTSA due to unexpected acceleration in the last decade had nothing to do with either issue. You can also find print reports discussing the same thing (

). Makes you want to know just how forthcoming Toyota has been. Also, what is scarier, that they aren't fixing the actual problem or that they don't know what it is? This is not an issue that suddenly popped up late last year. If Toyota knows what the problem is, they certainly could have been "pro-active" and issued a recall and updated new models years ago. If not, then they don't know, which is bad, or they have been avoiding a safety related recall and continuing to pump out defective vehicles for years, which is even worse. Just glad our new Prius is unaffected, for now, anyway...

Toyota is no different than almost every other huge company. The bottom line comes first and big recalls don't help the bottom line.

>>>>> They're made on the same ass'y line in Cambridge, ONT.>>>>>>

They didn't buy US CAW made.

Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL

>>>>>> They're made on the same ass'y line in Cambridge, ONT.>>>>>>>

As for bad news, this is pretty bad. There are also a few nutcases who want to spin this news in a positive manner for some reason, even claiming Toyota was being "pro-active" with a recall. So much for that lol. According to reports today, it sounds like the 2010 Prius is next, so we'll be a victim, too.