transponder key situation, but no key: Ford Explorer

... that should be enough for Toyota's production for a year or two... once the other mfgs are gone...

Rob

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well, Toyota, Chrysler, Ford, honda, and so forth.. gives many HUNDREDS of unique chips for everyone in the WORLD..

--Shiva--

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as far as I know it has not changed but will check it out. the Ilco Auto Truck key blank reference 2006 still shows OBP on most models up through 2006. see below.

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'Key

article does not apply to the subject. vats key is not to be compared to a transponder key.

my2¢

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'Key

then why did you say "as it pertains to the topic at hand" ?

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'Key

it appears to still stand true. refer to my post news:E59Nf.57206$ snipped-for-privacy@tornado.texas.rr.com

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'Key

auto locksmiths can program too. its NOT a dealer only thing...

different tool.. doesn't apply to transponder technology.

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'Key

I'm not following what your saying. GM can be done without any tool. got nothing to do with 'different' tool. Transponders are transponders. GM/Ford/Chrysler will all be using the same transponders. Its the software in their modules that will determine if you need a tool or not. I can't say that Ford does not need a tool because I don tknow there system. But having written software for these systems I can safely say that there is no reason for requiring a tool.

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dnoyeB

I didnt read the article. But VATS vs. PATS is irrelevant. Whats relevant if they built in a way to reprogram the system with or without a tool. GM PATS does not require a tool. I'm sure the dealership will be happy to claim otherwise. If you have a tool you can do it faster, but without a tool, you can still do it yourself.

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dnoyeB

think HAND HELD COMPUTER.. thats the 'tool' FORDS REQUIRE starting in 2000 for most models, this programming tool to access the on board computer to add new keys WHEN the keys are LOST>. no way around it..

GM keys that HAVE a transponder do NOT require the hand held device to be plugged in in order to add keys when they are lost and new are cut.. BUT it takes 'longer time'..

CHRYSLER requires a PHONE CALL TO CHRYSLER there is a 'pin number for the on board computer to ACCESS IT, with the hand held programming tool needed in ADDITION..

comes down to 'they want to maintain the BUSINESS, so THEY force the tool need..

my local Ford deealer had to buy a new diagnostic tool in December.. it will also program new keys into the system.. tool is $12,000 PLUS $1,000 a MONTH to update it..

--Shiva--

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2 ENTIRELY different systems.. IF ALL the keys are lost for a vat. AND you cannot get the original key codes, you need a vastly CHEAPER interrogator tool to find which value vat key you need.. AND if the lock is NOT original with the vehicle, you just bought a new lock as well.. close to $200 installed in my area.. PATS require NO tools, but, time.. 30 minutes or 10, depending on what year it is.

--Shiva--

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GM does have a tool. the dealers use it all the time. GM also has on-board programing..

wrong, GM/Ford/Chrysler do NOT all use transponder tegnology.

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'Key

it is relevant. the subject is about Pats transponder key in a Ford. GM is NOT Pats... GM is Vats... two different animals :-)

is it more clear to ya now ?

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'Key

========== ========== I'm afraid I don't fully understand your question in the format that it's posted.

Feel free then....... to rearrange the atoms and repost........

or.....

Feel free then.... to omit a word.....

then....... maybe it will be clear to me and then...

i can give you an answer, which I am eagerly wanting to do.

untill then.......

i'll check on the other threads in the post.

~:~ MarshMonster ~well then....that ortah git'r done then~

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Marsh Monster

OK I follow you completely. wasn't there a law passed meaning the OEMs had to expose such codes to the aftermarket industry. Im surprised they can do this, or were they only coerced to release the OBDII info publicly?

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dnoyeB

I have first hand knowledge about GM and Chrysler using it. Don't have first hand about Ford, but I would strongly bet they do too. Its more commonly known today as RFID.

The real question is who does not?

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dnoyeB

GM uses PATS today. Did you mean to say otherwise? Its not like they use standard terminology either. PATS is just 'passive anti theft system.' I think GM calls it Passkey.

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dnoyeB

the obdii tools ARE available if you got the bucks.. GM's cost a shy 3 grand.. another that will do several vehicles, is about $7,000, plus required updates-about $2 a day..

some are NOT available at all- the transponders are 'hard wired' onto the on board computer..replace computer and comes with 2 new keys.. (ask the price..LOL) --Shiva--

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actually not.. GM uses PK3 transponders and PK3+ now.. several models.. key blanks can run to $50 each.

6 years BACK they used PATS..but are now dropping it in a lot of models.. a 2000 Cad used a PK3 key- then it depended on the vehicle --Shiva--
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Well, you already have 100 replies, but...

I just had a key cut from the computer at a hardware store for $55. Works fine. The machine they use is pretty small; I suppose they could come out to you for a time charge.

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Suanne Lippman

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