We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant

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The People of the United States could build a people-owned coal-to-oil conversion plant and extract as much gasoline, from domestic coal, as we need, independently of foreign nations. We could just about balance our
budget just on that one item alone. Just call it Manhattan Project II and get started.
Gasoline would be cheap and stay that way, once foreigners, greedy oil companies, and profits are taken out of the picture. And even if it wasn't cheap, its still cheap enough compared to losing our manhood to the Arab sheiks, Venezuelan strongman, Nigerian Mau-mau, and so on down the line.
That is, if we wanted to. Call the troops home today and we will have collectively, $1,500,000,000.00 a month to invest in Manhattan Project II until its done. Put it to the vote of the people: Do they want gasoline-a-plenty at low cost for ourselves and generations to come, or do they want to see our beloved country go bankcrupt...to Hell in a handbasket with empty tanked SUV cars and Pickups littering the landscape and cemetaries full of their dead soldier-children?
I'm waiting, Mr. President. Please answer before the impeachment proceedings begin to put you out of the warmongering business (or the Generals do a coup d'etat).
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You forget one little obstacle. The "Not in my backyard" crowd.
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I think allot of states with the coal would Love to have it in their backyard. Those states have been depressed for a long time now.
Gerald
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Better yet, you we could build fuel-efficient motor vehicles, develop alternative sources of energy that don't cause global warming, improve the efficiency of our houses, and use buses, subways, bikes and our feet to get around more.
Jeff
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That is a good idea, the only problem is it will not solve the problem. It will reduce the INCREASE in the amount of oil we import but not our need for the fast amounts of crude we use to fuel the various economies of the world. Gasoline is only a small part of why we need to import crude. The people in every other major industrial country in the world pays a lot more for gasoline than do we, and they are still using more every year. If every vehicle in the US miraculously got twice as many miles per gallon some day we would still need crude for it carbon stocks and the excess gasoline would simply be burned off at the refineries, as it was before it became a motor fuel.
mike hunt

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I should have added that not only is a lot of the crude oil that we import refined into gasoline, but we also import around 1,000,000 barrels a day of gasoline: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=businessNews&storyid 06-04-19T151756Z_01_N19400851_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENERGY-STOCKS.xml.
This is, in part, because of lost capacity post Katrina.
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That makes since it take four barrels of crude to produce one barrel of gasoline, but it is still a byproduct of the refining process and would need to be burned off at the refinery is not consumed..
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I don't do home work for my grandchildren, what makes you believe I would do yours? You are free to believe whatever you choose. You need not do a search to learn the fasts to do so. ;)
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I certainly do not take the time to proof read, if my automatic spell checker is satisfied as I type, I'm satisfied.
My degree is in Metallurgy, not Petrochemicals I only know what I read on that subject. If you have a source that indicates something other than the figures I found and quoted, please post it. I am always willing to be more enlightened on any subject. If my source was incorrect I will direct my source to your source so they can argue which is correct. Until then I could not care less whether you chose believe what I posted, or not. If it is two three of four barrels it makes no difference, gasoline is still just one more byproduct that must be sold to a willing buyer, stored or disposed of, in some manner to continue running the refinery to produce the product that can be sold or stored.
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Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of gasoline.
So gas is $8 a gallon?
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According to your calculations, I guess it is. ;)
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This should help....
The United States and Russia, along with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), accounted for 61 percent of the total crude oil produced in the world in 2004. The United States accounted for 7.4 percent of the world's total 2004 crude oil production, and Russia 12 percent. Because uses for crude oil in its natural state are limited, almost all crude oil is processed into finished petroleum products at a refinery. The refining process usually involves (1) distillation, or separation of the hydrocarbons that make up crude oil so that the heavier products, such as asphalt, are separated from the lighter products, like kerosene; (2) conversion, or cracking of the molecules to allow the refiner to squeeze a higher percentage of light products, such as gasoline, from each barrel of oil; and (3) treatment, or enhancement of the quality of the product which could entail removing sulfur from such fuels as kerosene, gasoline, and heating oils. The addition of blending components to gasoline is also a part of this process.
Crude oil is measured in barrels. A barrel of 42-U.S. gallons of crude oil yields slightly more than 44 gallons of petroleum products. This "process gain" of volume is due to a reduction in the density during the refining process. In 2004, one barrel of crude oil, when refined, yielded 19.7 gallons of finished motor gasoline, as well as smaller quantities of many other petroleum products
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Hmmm. Interesting claim.
4 barrels crude * $70 / barrel crude * barrel / 42 gallons = 6.67 $/gallon
And that is before any processing costs and gasoline taxes.
Another hypothesis shot down.
Lynn
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Think about it. If one can not pump any more gasoline through the distribution system because the demand is cut in half, one does not have any tanks left to store the gasoline, that comes out of a barrel of oil before one get to the really profitable carbon products, what do you think they will have to do with the gasoline? ;)
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I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are free to do your own search to find what I found.
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