We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant

It's time to re-watch the old "Mad Max" films. The world economy is about to change quickly and citizens of the USA and UK will pay a dear price when it does. The faithless, liberal, peer-reviewed climate scientists postulate that a dramatic climactic calamity associated with global warming might be the cessation of the Gulf stream. 60 million English people will cool off fast after that. The Gulf of Mexico will heat up nicely and spawn massive hurricanes which disrupt exploration, production and refining of oil in the most productive areas of the USA. The huge mal-investment we have made in F350 duallys, et.al., is becoming worthless and someone is going to make a fortune converting surface streets into bike paths. We Americans are apt to be as destitute as Russian and Chinese peasants were in the 1950's. So, foreign companies will build the 750cc, 3 cylinder go-carts that wealthy Americans drive to their jobs at Wal-Mart (America's premier source for Chinese made goods) and the rest of us will commute to our jobs at the salt mines on our bicycles. Natural disasters are bad but the Government's looting of our paltry savings will be worse. Remember inflation (and stag-flation)? The roller coaster is about to leave the station and it will be a wild ride. People and organizations that are highly leveraged are about to go bankrupt. The rest of us will see our savings become worthless (think Germany in the 1920's). It will really be bad when some disturbed politician or military commander (think Gen. Jack D. Ripper) decides it is appropriate to blackmail the Arabians or the Chinese with nuclear weapons. That could get ugly. So, stock up on gasoline, propane for the grill, MRE's, water, m16 a2's for all the family members, warm clothes, lots of solar cells and batteries, seeds, hoes, horses, chickens, pigs and bicycles. Don't let your neighbors know your plan. We are apt to be recovering continuously from a hurricane, a pandemic, a stock market collapse, a riot of the unemployed, a cessation of electric service or an attack from foreign or domestic insurgents. All who now hold government jobs will be unemployed. All the big suburban McMansions will become rooming houses or funeral homes. My advice: buy gold and move to Argentina (or Brazil if you find Portuguese as musical as I do).

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Enrico Fermi
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Indeed, Russia was an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. Even so, the people probably lived better and progressed faster than had the monarchy system of the czars persisted.

The 'people' used to own the train system and underground in the United Kingdom as well. The transportation was good, and affordable. Ditto the health care system.

After privatization, it all went to hell in a handbasket.

Private industry under capitalism does some things very well,and other things abominally. (That is probably why the founding fathers preserved the US Postal Service as a government function, rather than opening it up to entrepreneurs as a business.)

But, friends, this fuel problem isn't going to go away. You can put your head in the sand if you wish, but when you pull it out, the problem will still be here, and worse.

We need real answers, not a temporary source of cheap gasoline.

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<HLS

Well, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now has a price tag of $10 billion per month. Makes that $100 million look like a tip jar on a bar.

Penny ante lip service.

Reply to
<HLS

Look... I'll give you ostriches a little hint.

Denmark, Norway, France and Germany aint fighting in Iraq. Check out deeply into some of their news items. There's far more at stake here than the price of oil. Now if we're gonna talk about energy, let's do that and leave out the Bush Derangement Syndrome comments....and I'll nail Dubya and his brother for what they arent doing on the issue. On the other hand, if you want to pretend that there's some Trilateral Commission crap going on, then you deserve what you get from it.

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

And that electric is probably oil generated, and diesel is just another fuel oil produced from crude.

Reply to
NeedforSwede2

That makes since it take four barrels of crude to produce one barrel of gasoline, but it is still a byproduct of the refining process and would need to be burned off at the refinery is not consumed..

mike hunt

Reply to
Mike Hunter

Just how do you think the 'White House' can control the price of gasoline?

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

Eh? pre what, 85 I think it was, trains were nasty, smelly anf filthy. statoins were dark and often dank, trains were slow and often not on time, and my local mainline station at the time had no working electronic scheduals (the dot matrix board was always broke, and all the monitor screens had severe phosphor burn.

Nowadays, trains are faster, cleaner, and the stations are actually nice to be in. I saw a prorgam on PBS the other day as well, a British guy going around the southern UK and wales after 20 years away, and he was amazed by the trains. Hell, liverpool lime street's got clean glass over head for the first time in over 60 years. and Edge Hill station (one of the worlds first stations, and the one between Liverpools main station, and the station roughly where the Rocket was tested) doesn't look like a bomb site any more.

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flobert

Adn heavily subsidized by taxes. Most of which NOW go to...

Want to run that by, again? Read much?

Uh... not exactly. Study up. Think 'Rural electrical coop' for a hint.

Then think how much of your junk mail arrives by FedEx or UPS ... there's a little hint there as to why first class postal rates keep rising.

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion! ;)

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

Think about it. If one can not pump any more gasoline through the distribution system because the demand is cut in half, one does not have any tanks left to store the gasoline, that comes out of a barrel of oil before one get to the really profitable carbon products, what do you think they will have to do with the gasoline? ;)

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

Really? The company that is being built in Pa to covert coal to oil plant is a private capitol company, that was given $100,000,000 in federal seed money, by the President, through the DOD.

mike hunt

Reply to
Mike Hunter

I didn't ask you to think about it. I asked for evidence.

Jeff

Reply to
Jeff

Yet, I use considerably less energy and produce less pollution than if I drove into school.

Jeff

Reply to
Jeff

Could you please provide evidence that it takes four barrels of oil to produce one barrel of gasoline?

You keep coming up with "facts" like the one about how only a small fraction of crude oil is converted to gasoline that don't seem to fit with reality. Perhaps this is another.

Jeff

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Jeff

I don't do home work for my grandchildren, what makes you believe I would do yours? You are free to believe whatever you choose. You need not do a search to learn the fasts to do so. ;)

mike hunt

Reply to
Mike Hunter

I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are free to do your own search to find what I found.

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

gasoline, but it is still a byproduct of the refining

Hmmm. Interesting claim.

4 barrels crude * $70 / barrel crude * barrel / 42 gallons = 6.67 $/gallon

And that is before any processing costs and gasoline taxes.

Another hypothesis shot down.

Lynn

Reply to
Lynn McGuire

What do you want me to read..I lived there. What YOU read in the USA is a bit suspect.

Reply to
<HLS

That's a project that I hadn't heard about.

Do we get part ownership for our $100,000,000?

necessarily

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