We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant

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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"


Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use other high cost solutions.
Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay higher taxes. ;)
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What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't even cover the cost of the highway system.
If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway system and at least half of our military budget.
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Good point.
The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for road maintenance.
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It's coming. There will be a tax on energy conserving vehicles.
We cannot allow the dissipation of fuel tax money due to better fuel economy vehicles, therefore we must tax them more.
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That can be easily accomplished, elect more democrats, they are very proficient at figuring ways to increase taxes. Currently the federal and state governments ALL make more per gallon on gasoline than do the oil companies or the retailers. The federal tax is .185c per gallon and the average state tax is .28c a gallon. Some states like California also add their sales tax to gasoline in addition to the motor fuel tax. Some states add to your cost of food by taxing fuels used in farming. Search the Congressional Record and you will see the recent investigation of the oil industry, in by the House Energy Committee, showed the oil companies averaged around 15c a gallon and retailers .05c ;)
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Exactly Mike. IF the dimmies get in control they will tax the feel good crowd while giving them high honors for conserving, also a little pat on the rump, LOL.
For me increased gas prices don't have much of an impact because I don't drive that much any more. I either walk or ride a bike for short trips, it's much more healthy anyway. BTW, if the socialists do gain control, we'll have absolutely nothing to worry about. They will build huge amounts of condominiums and force those of us who have our own home and property out and into condos. This, the socialists say will be more efficient and tax friendly, for them. LOL.

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According the Department of Commerce, oil companies in general earn around 9% or 10% profit. WalMart and Procter Gambol make well over 20%. Exxon paid more in federal cooperate taxes than it paid in dividends to the share holds, who then paid taxes on the SAME money ;)
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:10:44 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

I heard Microsoft has a profit margin of 85% on its home OS software. I'm glad MS isn't running the oil companies. ;)
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Jeff, you and Mike are bad readers,,, Or are a bad study,,, Give it up... You have both taken it beyond your means... Wasting everyone time if you cannot respond to others... Have a good day, not that I would think that you would see this message..
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Gerald my friend don't you recognized when sombodys chain is being pulled? ;)
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Then, ignore the thread.
Bye.
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Then, ignore the thread.
Bye.
Jeff
Yup Done deal! Only because the thread is senseless. The thread had some good content until you guys took it into space with a version of a HOT AIR ENGINE...
Good luck...
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That was most likely was placate those Senator and Congressmen that were opposed to giving US taxpayers money to buyers of hybrid vehicles to be passed on to foreign companies that sell hybrids at premium price, that do not themselves pay federal corporate income taxes. ;)
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I know about this plant, saw it on CNN I think, it is a great idea but they need about 30 maybe 40 or more. Start building them right now and our dependence on crude will start to go away. The coal town will come back, my only hope is that the great amounts will also be spent to take care of the miners. Safety and health and a better way to get this coal out. Our current coal mining ideas are probably very old compared to what they could be if more money was spent on research.
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It won't happen because of the environmental laws. Hell they have a tough time just upgrading the existing facilities.
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First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ? Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the U.S.S.R. That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from Russia... She is wonderful...
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Well, here I go again.
Follow the society-progression threads in Marx, Lenin, Engels. "Authoritarianism until enlightenment" Now understand human nature... who is it runs the central planning; who manages the national companies? Where did the Russian Mafia come from? Are we to believe it just sprang, fully-mature, in the eighties and nineties?
Aren't they the same personality/mindsets that we saw at Enron? Why did Enron happen? Wasnt it enabled by people-elected politicians setting little loopholes in the tax-codes? Why would they be any different in overseeing National Socialism (cause that's what you really advocate)? Politicians are SMARTER THAN YOU becuase they got YOU to elect them. Why did Enron come to light? Because of a whistleblower within. What happens to someone who does that in a central planning society?
That whistle-blower may get another job at another private company...or with a government agency (well, prolly not the guvmint for obvious reasons) but what if the government WAS the employer? Where would that whistleblower earn a living?
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Indeed, Russia was an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. Even so, the people probably lived better and progressed faster than had the monarchy system of the czars persisted.
The 'people' used to own the train system and underground in the United Kingdom as well. The transportation was good, and affordable. Ditto the health care system.
After privatization, it all went to hell in a handbasket.
Private industry under capitalism does some things very well,and other things abominally. (That is probably why the founding fathers preserved the US Postal Service as a government function, rather than opening it up to entrepreneurs as a business.)
But, friends, this fuel problem isn't going to go away. You can put your head in the sand if you wish, but when you pull it out, the problem will still be here, and worse.
We need real answers, not a temporary source of cheap gasoline.
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