We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant

I am not suggesting that you do my work. Rather, that you do your work: be sure of your facts before you post them.

The fasts? That was during lent.

Fast seems an accurate word. Fast as in write whatever you think is true without doing the work of verifying the info you post.

Jeff

In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words.

Jeff

Price freeze... Anything over the purchased price plus a percentage of profit determide by the governement. Our current crisis calls for it and it includes plently for R&D and building new refinerys.

No tri lateral thing going on here but a bunch of oil exec's that knew what might happen in the future, called forcasting and rather then be a percentage about what could fail, they were a percent below what could fail. 3.09 a gallon here in Wisconsin now. Summer is a couple of months away. We have not hit the peak yet. Something will happen to change things I can tell you that much. Allot of jobs are on the line right now. It is good for the democrates though keeping the gas price high, makes the right look like dummies.

Gerald

I know about this plant, saw it on CNN I think, it is a great idea but they need about 30 maybe 40 or more. Start building them right now and our dependence on crude will start to go away. The coal town will come back, my only hope is that the great amounts will also be spent to take care of the miners. Safety and health and a better way to get this coal out. Our current coal mining ideas are probably very old compared to what they could be if more money was spent on research.

Gerald

This should help....

The United States and Russia, along with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), accounted for 61 percent of the total crude oil produced in the world in 2004. The United States accounted for 7.4 percent of the world's total 2004 crude oil production, and Russia 12 percent. Because uses for crude oil in its natural state are limited, almost all crude oil is processed into finished petroleum products at a refinery. The refining process usually involves (1) distillation, or separation of the hydrocarbons that make up crude oil so that the heavier products, such as asphalt, are separated from the lighter products, like kerosene; (2) conversion, or cracking of the molecules to allow the refiner to squeeze a higher percentage of light products, such as gasoline, from each barrel of oil; and (3) treatment, or enhancement of the quality of the product which could entail removing sulfur from such fuels as kerosene, gasoline, and heating oils. The addition of blending components to gasoline is also a part of this process.

Crude oil is measured in barrels. A barrel of 42-U.S. gallons of crude oil yields slightly more than 44 gallons of petroleum products. This "process gain" of volume is due to a reduction in the density during the refining process. In 2004, one barrel of crude oil, when refined, yielded 19.7 gallons of finished motor gasoline, as well as smaller quantities of many other petroleum products

Gerald

This project really is a good idea but needs to be expanded way past one plant.. It is real and we will all benifet.

Gerald

It won't happen because of the environmental laws. Hell they have a tough time just upgrading the existing facilities.

On 4/20/2006 10:48 PM Jeff spake these words of knowledge:

Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not like he's going to start making sense all of a sudden.

RFT!!! Dave Kelsen

Why not post a source that disputes what was posted before making a personal attack?

mike hunt

That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the process competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative fuels just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.

mike hunt

Had you been watching things in the seventies when President Carter tried to regulate the distribution of motor fuels, you would have seen that attempting to control supply or prices, as did President Nixon only led to shortages. In a free economy the best conservator is price. Price is the only way to reduce the INCREASE in the consumption of oil and its products. What is controlling the price today is increased demand and the commodities market speculators making the money off of that growth in demand.

mike hunt

I guess we can assume you did not find a source to support you contention?

mike hunt

I certainly do not take the time to proof read, if my automatic spell checker is satisfied as I type, I'm satisfied.

My degree is in Metallurgy, not Petrochemicals I only know what I read on that subject. If you have a source that indicates something other than the figures I found and quoted, please post it. I am always willing to be more enlightened on any subject. If my source was incorrect I will direct my source to your source so they can argue which is correct. Until then I could not care less whether you chose believe what I posted, or not. If it is two three of four barrels it makes no difference, gasoline is still just one more byproduct that must be sold to a willing buyer, stored or disposed of, in some manner to continue running the refinery to produce the product that can be sold or stored.

mike hunt

Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use other high cost solutions.

Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay higher taxes. ;)

later,

tom @

What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't even cover the cost of the highway system.

If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway system and at least half of our military budget.

Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of gasoline.

So gas is $8 a gallon?

They would make less gasoline and more "other stuff".

The ratio of gas to "other stuff" is not fixed. It's flexible depending on demand.

That is not true they already 'crack' to make as much gasoline as they can. If the demand was cut in half and lowers the price why would the even want to make more gasoline when the greater profit is in the carbon base? The idea has always been to get rid of the higher distillates to get to the money makers.

mike hunt

According to your calculations, I guess it is. ;)

mike hunt