Don't know about europe, but in the States we've been getting screwd
into too frquent oil changes for a long time now. Cnanging oil and
filter or having it done used to be an event. Now the bastards would
have you in there twice before breakfast if they could think of a
line of BS that people would buy. There used to be a 10,000 mile
interval, then it went to 7500 a lot of years ago. At that time
Penzoil came out with an additive called ,"PZL" that raised the price
of oil 10 cents a quart. There claim was that it doubled the
time/miles between oil changes. So for a lot of years I changed oil in
my 1960 Ford Falcon every 15,000 miles.
Suddenly the oil with the , "PZL" additive was removed from the
stores. I had to make a command decision and asked myself, "What the
hell could they be adding to this oil that would double the miles
between oil changes". The answer, of course was nothing. So I kept
right on with my oil changes at every 15,000 miles.
I traded the old Falcon in at well over 100,000 miles as I have every
other car I've owned and changed oil lin religiously every 15,000
miles. When I take my 2001 Focus for an oil and filter change which is
recommended every 5,000 miles, they put a big sticker on the
windshield that says I need to come back in 3,000 miles. There would
be no end to it if the little bastards could have their way.
Remember when it was recommended that the filter be changed every
other oil change? Not any more. All the "experts will now chime in
about hotter running engines and higer revs, etc. Wouldn't one be
correct to expect that lubricants have improved over the years as
Uh are you sure you don't mean Kilometres? I've never heard of a
recommendation of 12,500 miles (20,000 kilometres)
I read last Fall that GM had published a report saying that most North
American cars are wasting a lot of oil by being changed far too soon, that
oil is good for at least 6K miles (10K kilometres) even if it starts to look
a little dirty. Unless the car is mostly driven in stop-and-go traffic and
Since most of my driving is highway I have decided to go with 10K.
Diesel 10,000 miles.
For both models there is a caveat in the owners manual saying that the
oil and filter should be changed (independently of a 'normal' service)
at an undefined shorter period if the car is used for:
Short trips of less than 10 miles, particularly in winter when the
outside temperature is low.
Mostly in start/stop urban traffic or with excessive idling.
In the UK handbook(s) the recommended oil is SAE 5W-30 - although 5W-40
or 10W-40 can be used depending on the ambient temperature and with
possible reduced engine performance, reduced fuel economy and increased
I was told by a ford dealership here in canada, that unless I use 5W-20, my
warrenty will be void. I was also told by ford that my oil must be changed
every 5000km. I have actually let that slip and gone around 10 000km without
an oilchange and I felt pretty guilty about doing so. But After reading this
thread, I dont feel so bad anymore =)
Also, there are local places such as "lube-x" that are saying that people
should change their oil every 3000km-4000km. So it looks like this is
turning into quite the money grab
...Just my two cents
Would you mind posting the name and location of the Ford dealership which
told you that you would void your warranty if you did not use 5W-20, and
oil must be changed every 5000km.
My Ford dealership here in Alberta puts right on the service receipt that
Ford recommends oil changes every 7500 KMS. Also the Ford dealership put in
5W30 oil for the first year of ownership because they could not get 5W20
oil. You will not void your warranty as long as you have a record and
receipts that oil changes took place. I am running 10,000kms between changes
and keep accurate records of all service and repairs.
I sure would
It was Spruceland Ford in Whitecourt Alberta. I was working at a lube bay in
whitecourt at the time and thus I had access to cheap 5W-50 full sythetic..
and I was told that if I did put that oil in my engine.. that I would no
longer have warrenty coverage on my engine
My dealer has just told me that the recommended interval for the TDCi
is 12500 same as the petrol I'll take their word for it. The Americans
here seem to be getting screwed with this 5000 mile rubbish or do they
use massively different engines that really "do" need more frequent
changes. Mind you a lot of Americans seen fascinated with this tyre
rotation thing as well. Seems like a waste of time and money to me
what possible benefit can changing wheels from front to back have just
leave em on till they are worn out then replace them.
It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.
Why? I don't get this. If the tyre is worn out replace it. What
possible difference can it make putting a part worn tyre from the back
of the car on the front? I'm no expert but I would guess having the
best possible tyres on the wheels that steer the car would be the best
Whats cheap about replacing the oil more frequently than the Car
manufacturers intervals. Do you think that this will stop the engine
wearing out more often?
The best tires should be mounted on the rear of your car.
If you are not driving very low distance (<3 km), where the
engine doesn't get warm, better use a bicycle then, there's
nothing wrong with the manufacture intervals. Once a year or
every 20.000 km for the petrol Focus engines. Everything else is
just a waste of money.
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Ever heard of hydroplaning/aquaplaning? If the front wheels get out
of control, not a big problem, but if the rear ones do, well
you'll be skidding and be hardly able to get it back safely.
It doesn't matter what kind of car, the best tires belong to the
rear, unless you live in a desert. You can try that with some
small toy car and some tape on the front/rear to simulate no contact.
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