Two? You're the only one who has hung up on this point.
Right. You just keep telling yourself that. While you're at it Neil - why
don't you just list all of the problems the OP would have encountered by
removing the converter from the trans? Get creative because you haven't set
the world on fire with your points up to this point.
Ok - so post the OEM procedures and demonstrate where they differ from what
I posted. Without that is, relying on your weak semantics game. As I
stated early on in this foolishness - please explain how the flywheel is to
be removed with the torque converter attached. Forget all of your other
word games and try - I know it will be hard for you, but try to understand
the context of a comment without trying to prove you know so much more than
the next guy, and hanging on trivial minutia as the mainstay of your
Hell - I admitted my misunderstanding there - never took a stand that I was
right. Unlike you, I don't mind not knowing everything. I don't feel the
need to show up the world like you do.
Here Neil - let me make this easy for you. I stand in awe of your knowledge
(even though you haven't demonstrated any of it in the form of helpful
advice). I'm nothing in the shadow of your greatness, even though you don't
demonstrate it beyond your demand that other simply accept it. No problem.
I don't waste much time with folks like you Neil. Won't waste any more.
You'll be right on things in the future and I'll be wrong on something
again - I can deal with that. I'll simply satisfy myself that I don't waste
any money (and I haven't for over 35 years), on talk-too-much,
offer-too-little "pros" like you. I've survived very well without the likes
of you and will continue to do so. Soccer daddie? If only you had a
You do lack reading comprehension Neil. I asked where the OP had heard
that, he replied, and another poster posted the procedure. Pretty simple.
I never stated an objection to the OP's claim in the first place - simply
stated that my older model was not the same *and* allowed that there might
even have been changes made over the model years. You are a peach Neil -
when you get desperate in an argument, you keep shifiting and bringing up
anything you can grasp - the dying breaths...
So profound. I'd ask you to get more creative, but you gave that your best
shot yesterday. Not sure you need any more encouragement to talk the dirty
That wasn't better - come on, you can do better than *that*.
Nope. Don't drink. Don't need it.
Sure Neil - the ones who held the warranty on the car. No reason for me to
do what they are obligated to do for free. I've done the job myself on the
GM motors. I don't need to prove to myself that I can do it again.
Good Neil - another redeeming trait - creativity. There hasn't been one lie
I've posted. You are showing your colors again Neil. Desperate, and
grasping. Keep it up, this shade of red looks good on you Neil.
Duh. But you couldn't help yourself. Just had to interject some
totally irrelevant factoid in classic usenet dweeb fashion.
hell, I'll bet that there's been changes made since 1964, why
didn't you offer advice for a 1965 then?
Does that mean you want to eat me?
No dying breaths, just pointing out the obvious.
Ummm... you were saying something about 'bringing up anything you
Good for you.
So, you scorn "pros" such as myself as long as there is money
involved. All that means is that your standards vary according
It also means that the gaskets are going to fail again, probably
out of warranty at which point you'll get to prove to yourself
that you can do it again. Unless the camshaft snaps, or the
crankshaft bearings get wiped out. Damn, you're so smart!
Nothing creative about questioning a statement such as:
"You have to pull the transaxle and remove the
torque converter." (your exact words)
Pull the transaxle and remove the torque convertor.
reads like; Pull the transaxle, then remove the torque convertor.
The way you list it and the order in which you list it suggests
that the OP should first pull the transaxle and once he's done
that, remove the torque convertor. Must be something special
about that torque convertor that it justified it's own separate
mention, don't you think? I mean, out of all the precautionary
advice you -might- have given, you chose the superfluous, the
redundant, that which didn't need mention.
May sound different to you, may sound different to everyone else
subscribed to this group. May be that you and a bunch of others
can't parse a sentence. Pity your parents paid for such a crappy
education. I'm certain that you feel that the bell curve makes
Well Mike, you've put so much spin on this that it's starting to
look like a barber pole.
Quite the expert you are....
Now, that would be a selective parsing you chose. You're spinning Neil.
Come on Neil - pull out of it and put something good on the table. Go back
and grab my following quote where I stated that the above meant to pull it
from the car - the same exact wording that your bud Marsh used, albeit
before he said those words. It's unfortunate that you understand so little
of the nature of conversation. You likely end up in ether battles like this
often, don't you Neil?
It's amusing the way that you suggest alternative precautionary advice that
I might have given when your very own postition and contribution to this
entire thread has been nothing more than obtuse comments and sophmoric
attempts a insult. You sir, might have picked up on my original comment
with a suggestion to the OP, or you might even have asked me to clarify what
I meant since it so clearly disagreed with what you *might* has said, had
you indeed offered anything. Rather, you chose an obtuse approach which I
replied to in like manner. In fact, there came a point where that
clarification was made. You elected that it wasn't good enough and that you
were going to play the semantics game. You should take your own advice and
study sentence structure with an eye on your comments.
You've displayed an amazing ability to be the pot calling the kettle black
during this dialog Neil as well as a very advanced ability to jump from
point to point as you have lost credibility in your position. You mastery
of ad-hominum attacks is without equal. Unfortunately, what you've
displayed in your technique is that you really did not have much of an
argument to stand on and you've had to shift from argument to argument in
order to *attempt* to keep me on a defensive - something you've never
achieved. Now you're on to sentence parsing. Yet another diversion.
You've failed Neil - this is not the big catastrophic event of usenet
history that you're trying to make it. A simple conversational comment
which was later qualified, and you've not rested in your attempt to turn
this into something that it's not.
Spin? - That would be your technique Neil. All I've done throughout this is
respond to your comments. Any rotational direction is to your credit and
yours alone. But... that's the nature of a spin artist - create the spin
and then blame the other party.
Ahhh - but I never claimed to be an expert - that was your claim. Spin
Mike, you were correct in saying that the torque convertor has to be removed
to replace the flywheel. Whether it's removed with the transmission or
otherwise, it still has to come out of the vehicle. The problem, as I see
it, is how you said it.
"you have to pull the transaxle and remove the torque convertor"
Your words *imply* pulling them separately, which is never the preferred way
of doing it. There are several reasons why, including high risk of damaging
the pump and/or seal or bending the input shaft. Not to mention that there
often isn't enough clearance to pull the tranny back far enough to clear the
Having said all that, nobody is perfect (including myself) and people who
come here for advice get what they pay for.
You are one of the most prolific on topic posters here and I enjoy your
Keep 'em coming.
Thanks for the comments. I agree with everything you posted above and tried
to even acknowledge that very early in my participation in this thread. For
more than one reason my acknowledgment didn't take and things have degraded
in a fast way to the point where they are now. Not the least of that is my
responsibility for continuing this from my end. Sometimes I can rank right
up there with the worst of them at not letting go. Some of it has to do
with a couple of posters who seem more intent on stirring stuff up than
allowing for the way conversations go. This really could have been a much
You are wrong.
I am correct......
in saying you are wrong.
You will be wrong again....
if you dispute that I am correct in saying you are wrong.
I also believe that I am correct in stating that I am not wrong
thinking that I am not the only one correctly thinking that you are
however......if i am wrong about what i think to be correct,
i would like to correct the wrong by righting it with a correct
which i am perty dang sure ain't gonna happen......
but i could be wrong.
but i doubt it.
respectfully submitted to correct
~stirs his boiling pot of mushroom tea....mmmm...smells like a good
Correct. It occurs to me that cars with standard transmissions will not
need the torque converter removed. Although, I guess it could be argued
that said tranny could indeed be removed without touching a torque
converter. Or... am I missing something else on this?
you are missing something.
Most FWD trannies ......MUST...come down with the
convertor still in the tranny.
trust me on that....
If the OP wants to attempt this thing......
on the ground...
with a floor jack....
no air compressor...
no impact guh..............
no engine hanger.............
he better get ready to yank the engine out!!!!!!!!
when he gits that sucker bout halfway out hanging
by the wiring harness, filler tube lodged in the coil pacs,
rack'n'pinion jerked out the steering coupler, back of tranny
case wedged into the fender well, oil pres. switch broken,
cv boots ripped open, ..............
he's gonna have to yank the eng to make things easier
for him to fix.
that's all IF.......he done dropped the thing on his
body and crushed a vital organ.
I personally don't see the scense in him taking 4 days to
add a couple hundred dollars to the task, or living with
parts he damaged, simply because WE.....didn't tell him
that he BETTER NOT....try this at home. He's going to
end up having to buy parts he broke...that he shouldn't
have broke.....or wouldn't have broke.....if he would jest
realize that this little task here.....is outside his ability
to perform in a proficient manner.
respectfully submitted for review,
debate, confirmation, discussion.
take it for what it's worth...
consider the scource.
Where's the original poster?
He's in an insane asylum after having been thoroughly confused by this
Yes, it's a slam-dunk no-brainer that he shouldn't attempt this job
since he doesn't have the experience or equipment to do it.
Normally the threads in this room, while they can be long, are still
interesting debate, but this one isn't.
Are you guys drunk? (:-)
======~Answers to yer Questions~
"You"....do not have the ability to perform this task
in a safe, proficient manner.
Yes you do.
~Answers to the Questions you didn't ask~
It takes about 3 hours to be driving it down to the liquor store....
from the time you start the job...till the time you get to the liquor
after your done.
but then....the liquor store is jest around the corner from me.
depending on how crooked the shop is..
and the shops overhead.
No.....you cannot take the flywheel off without
REMOVING the convertor "from the car".
(couldn't help myself)
Yes...i've done a couple of hundred of them.
Yes....sometimes i do lie.
But....i'm not lieing to you......
you believe me don't you?
hopefully the questions you asked were answered to your expectations
and the answers were accepted as I expected they would be, as i
to answer acceptably all the questions you posted and the questions
i felt would be acceptably expected by a technician of exceptional
~answering the questions asked...and some that ain't~
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