A little over a week ago. I was driving home on a 250 mile trip from
Virginia. There were no signs this was coming. The car always started
awesome, ran awesome and arrived originally at the destination with no
Then while I was following a buddy home. The car just suddenly lost
power, I thought it didn't kick into gear for a moment. Then quickly
realized it was more than that. The temp on the oil suddenly started
rising and falling as I was finding somewhere to pull over. Once I did
the car wouldn't start right. It would eventually turn, but it was
running rough and would stall. There was a sort of banging clanking
sound. Like something was banging against metal upder the cylinder
The car is still at the garage it was towed to. They haven't
officially looked at it but when the guy came to tow it, he said it was
dead and needed a new engine.
That was what happened. My main concern is what an engine (2.2L, V4)
would cost. Even moreso, my warranty. It covers all kinds of "engine
components". Sounds like one of these failed. But there's little
weaseling out of things they put in it like failure must be due to the
problem, must have been "properly maintained", etc.
Has anyone had an experience with things like that? How many labor
hours is an engine replacement supossed to take by book? I want to
make sure this warranty company doesn't screw me. They've been sued in
the past by the state.
I replaced the engine in a '91 Grand Prix once. It was a 3.1L V6 and the
engine itself only cost $250 (Canadian) at a scrap yard. The scrap yard is
very well known for selling top notch stuff, and I know the family who runs
it, so I knew I was getting a good one. As for labor? We did the engine swap
in the driveway. All and all, it took about 4 days, but that's because none
of us had done this before on this type of car, and we are all 'backyard
By the way, most warranties I have been offered would replace the entire
engine if necessary, if the loss of the engine was due to a failure of a
component, and not the driver. Hence, if you drive the *hit out of the car,
never do oil changes, were running with no coolant, etc ect, then they would
probably put up a fight. If not, then I think you should be fine. Hell, it
may just need to be partially rebuilt and not replaced.
Thanks, this makes me feel much better. It has a $100 deductable. I
hope the warranty company pressures them down. The problem is I have
no control over the parts used or the actual work. I'm looking for
engines for it. Trying to find something low mileage if possible, I
see anything from $400-$800.
I didn't drive the *hit out of the car. Heck I owned the car less than
3 months and was only just over 1,000 in my own driving. I had the oil
changed shortly after I bought it regardless even though the dealer did
all that stuff. The problem is the warranty words with exceptions for
"damage from previous or improper reapir". There's a few outs if they
can find the least bit of proof that possibly that even the previous
owner didn't take care of the car... Still a little nervous with the
previous lawsuit that they'll try to find a way to weasel out of it.
Other than that, I was loving my corsica...
It all depends on your warranty, especially that 'small print', but the last
car I bought with a warranty was 6 months or 6,000 KM's total powertrain. I
asked a lot about it when I got the warranty, and was told as long the car
is not abused, like no oil changes, running with no oil, coolant, trans
fluid, stuff like that, then the warranty is total. If the engine were to
completely seize up, I was to call the 1-800 number for the warranty
company, bring the car to the shop they suggest in my area, and whatever
needed to be fixed would be.
Like you said, you had only had the car less then 3 months. I can't see
anything from a previous owner hurting your warranty. If it does, then that
would probably be a problem for the dealership you bought the car from, as
they issued the warranty.
Good luck with your car, and let us know what happens.
Thanks guys. I would understand the warranty if I knew more about
cars. I have a copy of the warranty I showed my father. You can see
It's the only place that the mileage of the car shows up in all the
sales receipts, etc I have. I keep calling them and they keep telling
me nothing, so if any of you know what the fine print in this case
means. It stinks I was kinda forced to buy this car. It also sucks
that the car is so far from where I am.
From what I can see, you have a standard warranty. If I were you, I would
have the car taken to one of C.A.R.S's (your warranty company) 'qualified
repair facilities', as stated in the warranty, have that place call C.A.R.S.
and start diagnosing the problem. From what I see, just taking the car to
any shop doesn't do the trick, as your warranty wants it to be at a shop of
Anyhow, I know its been a few days, sorry about that, but let us know how
things are going with the Chevy.
Actually, it is at one. From the impression I get any "qualified"
facility can be used. The same garage are the ones that towed it and
CARS was afiliated with them for that. I'm waiting on them to check it
out and call CARS. CARS gave them the information they needed to make
a claim so I assume it's kosher. They...just haven't looked at it yet.
I'm starting to get ticked...
80 Knight wrote:
Just tell the garage you took the car too that you want the car fixed, and
your not going to pay one cent. Your warranty should cover the repairs, and
that garage could be putting money on the line by pissing around with you.
I'll see what the next move is. I don't want to start making demands
just yet. I mean I "don't know what the problem is".
When I had called the warranty company I was transfered to the
adjuster. He said he was waiting for the estimate. He MAY contact me
depending on the estimate. Then he asked me "well, what happened?" I
didn't want to look suspicious, but I didn't know if what I said or how
I said it might mean something to me. So I kept it short and disavowed
of any knowledge of any problem and said I had detailed maintenence
records for the small amount of time I owned the vehicle. Other than
that I tried not to say I had any knowledge of what the problem might
Another update. The warranty company called me today. They want a
teardown of the engine. I was stern said I didn't believe it was
right, but the garage "don't know what the problem is". I have nothing
I could say against it as it was part of the contract. A Michigan
lawsuit barred them from doing unessessary teardowns. Since the garage
doesn't "know" what caused it I couldn't see much else to argue. I
don't know what to do next. The teardown could be $125 or $1000... I
can't believe I have to pay to protect the warranty company, I have a
warranty with them, not the other way around. I personally think it's
crap, they should pay unless it's not a covered item.
I'm quite upset...
The warranty company should be paying to have the engine ripped apart.
Unless the entire problem turns out to be something you did, such as run the
car empty on oil, coolant or whatever (which you know you didn't), then they
should be paying for the entire repair. That is my experience anyway.
Well, they aren't, I have it in the contract. "A proper diagnosis of
the vehicle, as determined by CARS must be performed by the reapir
facility. The limited warranty holder is responsible for all charges
relating to the tear down and diagnosis of the vehicle."
I'm trying to find out more, but no one can give me any answers.
That is BS, if you ask me. As far as I am concerned, if the problem shows
itself to be one covered by the warranty, they should cover the cost of
diagnosing it as well as the repair. However, CARS will likely 'assume' that
you are grateful to them for covering anything. Warranty companies aren't
worth crap, IMHO. I just remembered a similar situation I had with a TV
warranty once. The TV had some lines showing up on it at times, so I called
the warranty company. They said that someone would come out and look at it.
They said if it was a problem they covered, they would repair/replace the TV
at there own cost, if it was not a problem they covered, I would have to pay
*them* for coming out and looking at my TV. Like I said, IMHO, warranty
companies aren't worth crap. I myself like having a warranty, but it's only
as good as the company who owns it. As for you, I would fight to the death
to get the car fixed by them at no cost to you. You have the warranty, you
should be in control, not them. Fight for it. You may win, you may loose,
but you will show them that you won't sit back and take there shit.
The problem is I don't know where to begin. I argued with them for a
while about it. I couldn't get my way. They're still looking at the
car since I haven't heard anything. No one can tell me what the real
story is. I've called consumer advocate places, dealers, other
garages, nothing. I've looked around there appear to be warranties
that are so much better. I've learned so much from this still. Things
like, don't buy the warranty from the dealer, get your own. I still
may file a complaint with the attourney general though, I just don't
know when I should do it.
If I were you, the first thing I would be doing is demanding that the car be
diagnosed *immediately*. If they diagnose it, find a problem, and are
willing to pay to have it fixed, then that's great. At the moment, you know
nothing as to the condition of the car. Only that it needs a tear-down
(which may be true), however, why haven't they done that yet? would be a
good question to ask them. I would be on CARS's ass, as well as on the shop
(the one you took the car too) as well. I would be demanding they get the
diagnostic done on the car, and figure out what the problem is. At least
that way you will know if its covered under your warranty or not. If the
shop is not willing to comply, or if they insist on 'taking there time', I
would suggest taking the car to another CARS approved shop. Perhaps the
other shop is more interested in making money *and* customers then the one
you are dealing with is. I'm not trying to come off as a complete ass here,
but I have had my fair share of 'beat-around-the-bush' repairs, as well as
'crafty' repair shops, and I have learned that at times, it is necessary to
be a complete ass to get things done with people like them.
Well, I can't move the car and I'm getting no information. My own life
is on a thin string right now too. I called CARS they haven't heard
from the garage, and the garage can't tell me anything. Pissing me
80 Knight wrote:
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