We’ve reached this strange moment in time when updates are released for
our cars in the same manner they’re released for our gadgets. Thus is the
case with the 2013 Chevy Volt, which GM has pushed a software update out
for after reports of shutdowns. The manufacturer is not issuing a recall,
The problem cropped up on the GM-Volt forum, where users were reporting
that the Volt would randomly shut down. According to the users, the
powertrain would shutdown, but the brakes and steering would continue to
work. It would take several minutes of sitting before the car restarted
In response, GM has issued an update for the car’s software that should
solve the problem. Owners who want the update will need to head over to
their local dealer, which will update the vehicle’s software. The process
is said to take about an hour. Thus far, no reports of accidents caused by
this issue have been reported.
The Chevy Volt is an extended-range hybrid vehicle that’s currently
enjoying high sales, which jumped twice in August and September. The Volt
features a lithium-ion battery and the Voltec electric drive system with a
1.4L gasoline powered range extender. The MSRP is $39,145.
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
Whatever the problems the Volt and any subsequent cars like it is
having, you better get used to it, because the new fuel economy
standards to go into effect in 2025, requiring 55 mpg, can only be met
by these sorts of hybrid or all-electric cars, at least as long as the
EPA keeps making diesel cars a practical improbability for sale in the
Otherwise, gasoline cars that get 55 mpg with the driving cycle the
EPA requires are going to look like a skateboard with a Thimble Drome.
I don't understand people unloading
on the Volt, the only problem I know of
is the critical nature of some lithium
But I disagree with the assumption
that all cars will be lightweight, once
they get rid of the grille and really
streamline the front, go to all electric
with two onboard generators instead
of one big one, mileage will be above
the required 55.
The thing that can make it all
happen is lower cost ultracapacitors,
with good brake regeneration the
driving public will have the insane
acceleration and rapid braking they
want without it causing poor mileage.
Mileage will probably be well above
the 55 mandated.
The other problem(s) is that is it not practical for moderate or
longer distance and it costs too much.I'm also curious as to how well
the heat works in very cold temperatures. Oh, and the AC in very hot
It has a very long way to go to appeal to the mass market.
Why is it not practical for moderate or longer distances? It'll go
from NYC to LA in a the same amount of time as a regular car. Just
keep filling the tank... like a regular car.
Don't know about the heating and cooling. It'd be good to lease it,
so's you don't have to buy it, and get used to it over 3 years or so.
Then make a decision about range-enhanced electric cars.
Fail--I demand a minimum of 300 miles on electric only cars, and also a
minimum of 300 miles on gas/electric hybrids before the gas engine has to
kick in. If the electric engine can only go 50 or so miles before the gas
engine kicks in, and I have to keep filling the gas engine, I might as well
buy a cheaper gas-only engine.
I've ridden in a Volt. It was interesting to hear only tire and road noise
when the electric only engine was running. The A/C seemed to work just as
well as any gas engine vehicle. However, finding the nearest charging
station with a compatible charger plug was the owner's next concern as they
only had something like 9 miles left on the electric only engine. Anything
past that, they would have had to use the gas engine.
So I'll pass on the Volt, and any other electric or electric/hybrid car,
until the electric engine alone can get a minimum of 300 miles on a single
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:47:48 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
Everyone's needs vary but even half that is pretty good. A fifty mile
round trip commute to work is fairly common and a weekend jaunt can be
100 or so. Probably a half dozen times a year I need much more in a
day. But you have to be able to plug it in easily at a hotel parking
lot or a quick charge while eating dinner, etc. That may come down
the road too if enough cars use the same plug.
Why isn't that practical? So you go one way on all electric and get
100 mpg equivalent, then you come back and have to use the generator
and get 32 mpg. Your trip averaged 66 mpg. I don't think you'll do
that good in a VW TDI.
It's not practical due to buying the equivalent of 2 cars and winding
up with a car that few people would accept if it were gas only.
Limited cargo/passenger space, limited cruise distance, poor ride,
Eventually electrics may become practical but so far they are worlds
away from it for the average consumer.
Currently they make sense only for someone with less than 20 mile
commute (one way) and making very few long trips (over about 60
It's fine to be a supporter of new technology but don't blind yourself
to the shortcomings.
How old are you? You sound like you're pretty young.
Get used to something.
Speak for yourself or you come off as a fool.
So say something like "It's not practical FOR ME due to....etc."
See, you don't speak for me and many others, so get used to that too.
You sound like a big dummy, repeating the same personal opinion bullshit
over and over again, like it applies to everybody.
See, most people have better sense than you. If yogurt gives them the
runs, they'll say "Yogurt is no good for me. Gives me the runs."
Or they'll just ignore any discussion of yogurt entirely.
If they can't afford an electric car, or they drive long trips most the
time, or have no place to plug it in, or don't like it on a cost basis,
"I can't afford it."
"I drive mostly long trips."
"I don't have a place to plug it in."
"Doesn't make financial sense to me at the current price."
But not you. You come in here acting like you speak for everybody.
Won't work, so grow up.
Grow up. Speaking for myself, a Volt would suit 90% my driving needs
well, very well. I have a 30 mile round trip commute and drive more
than 50 miles just a few times a year, outside of vacation trips.
I have a garage with electricity.
For vacation trips I would use a second car, or rent a car.
Or maybe take the Volt.
Why don't I have one? Can't afford it.
So the only "bad" I see is it costs too much for me.
If the car price comes down 10 grand and gas price hits 5-6 bucks the
calculation changes drastically.
Some people have more money than others.
They drive juiced up Ford PU's, Mercedes, Caddys, Lincolns, Buicks,
Lexus, etc. All costing more than a Volt.
Hell, the average 2012 price for a new car is $30,748.
A loaded VW Golf is $36k MSRP. About the same for a Toyota Avalon.
So the Volt isn't even expensive to those who want one.
People know what they want, they don't need you.
Good for those who can afford it. Must be nice driving for months and
months without visiting a gas station, as some of them do.
Now why don't don't you tell everybody a big house is impractical, and a
stainless steel refrigerator is impractical, or a vacation in the
Bahamas is impractical.
Then you can start on how a new car loses a big chunk of its value after
you drive it away from the dealer, so buying a new car is a loser.
You got sore toes too? Support electrics or even hybrids allyou want
but at the
current level of technology they are only practical in a niche market.
I am all for them _when and if_ they can get some decent range AND the
cost becomes competitive withouth subsidies.
So you are actually a rarity. Most Americans drive between 13,000 and
17.000 miles per year.
I do 45,000-65,000 per year but then...Im not average with my job and
So why would you hold yourself as somehow the Average man?
A sense of false self importance perhaps? Vote Democrat dont you.....
What are you? Stupid?
You think cars are aimed at the "Average man?"
Sounds like commie talk.
Commies always want to take away rights.
What, you want a law to make me buy a Corolla or Camry?
Fuck you and the commie horse you rode in on.
Ain't gonna happen.
Translation, you are to chicken to say it yourself. Fact - it is good
in a niche market only. Trying to make it a practical car for anyone
who does a lot of miles, Ain't gonnna work until the range improves
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