A Commentary on the GM slide to second

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snipped-for-privacy@nospam.nix wrote:

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/HellFreezesOverGMFadestoNo2.aspx?page=1
The former Big Three shot themselves in both feet by ignoring the changing auto market and their treatment of their customers. The former Big Three have to change, and change *now*, for the old ways are gone forever-they will never return. If they don't adapt to the real world right now they will surely fade into history.
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I suspect if one actually looked at the vehicles, brought to market by ALL of the Japanese import brands, over the past ten years, larger minivans, larger cars with more HP, larger SUVs, bigger trucks, luxury models, V6s and V8s rather than 4cy engines etc, it is the IMPORT brands that have been ADAPTING their vehicles to what US consumers want to buy. LOL
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Mike Hunter wrote:

Bottom line Mikey is that, through their own stupidity, GM is #2 and the former Big Three are on thin ice.
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You forgot to say, in my opinion ;)
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He didn't forget. It's evident to anyone with a clue, including hopefully the management of the Big Three.
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When was the last time you bought a new car or truck and from whom?
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2002, Volkswagen.
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enough said, I guess ;)
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Yup, there were no appealing small car choices available from the domestics, so I did the logical thing. Sold the car a couple years later to my mom, who is happily driving it today.
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Of course they did. Just like the American manufacturers put out shit that American customers don't want. Which brings us to today.
Do you enjoy consistently pointing out the obvious?
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The Japanese have been very clever about penetration of markets. The Brits prided themselves on their motorcycle industry, which the Japanese targeted very successfully. Not many Brit bikes left now, huh?
They also challenged the consumer electronics industry in the USA and Germany. Now, I believe not a single manufacturer of TVs is active in the USA. Asia owns stereo and TV now, for all practical purposes.
They took on Germany for cameras and optics. Germany didnt die out, but clearly the Japs have taken a strong position in cameras. How many of us buy Leica or Hasselblad?
Sometimes, even if you make a quality product, a competitor like Japan will try to 'do you one better'.
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Try perhaps but not always succeed. Nobody has yet to make lenses to compare to those available from Leica, in dept of the focal field.
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Absolutely true. Don't forget about the British automotive industry, either - sure, a Triumph TR-6 is probably faster than a Miata, but Mazda was the first to produce a real sports car that could be regularly driven for daily transportation by a non-mechanic...
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And while Toyota (and Honda) were building sparkling new factories in regions of the country free of the crushing costs associated with union labor contracts, GM and the other Detroit automakers were collectively crafting the most egregiously overinflated and overwrought labor contracts in history with the United Auto Workers union -- which ultimately led the domestic automakers to the brink of oblivion in just 20 years.
Let's hear it for the motto that got US undustry/labor where it is today;
F*** Y** I Got Mine !
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If you read the article, there were several factors that got GM into trouble, not just the work contracts. The contracts are bad enough, and they are fighting with UAW now trying to get some slack.
The previously called "Big Three" got themselves into the chile over a period of years wherein the buying public were perhaps too tolerant. It is hard to win back people when you have been crapping on them for years, but it CAN be done.
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What do you mean by, 'crapping on them for years?' When was the last time you bought a new domestic brand car?
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I agree.... both Labor and Management treated the company like a golden goose..... and GM bet the farm on "bigger-fatter" vehicles..... ( more profit per unit )
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If it is the UAW is the problem, why is it Toyotas and Hondas, coming for overseas and from non union factories that cost so much less to build, cost so much more to buy? LOL
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Mike Hunter wrote:

Could it be -GASP- that they are worth more? The American public thinks so.
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