Another sign of GM's desperation

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There's no doubt you have a lot of knowledge about the industry Mike, your problem is that you can't accept facts and reality about what is taking place and why it happened. The old monopoly of the Big 3 is gone forever and hiring mostly unskilled workers and paying them 60-80 thousand a year, combined with equally outrageous CEO and upper management salaries and bonuses, and a culture developed while operating as a monopoly, killed the golden goose.
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Naturally you are entitled to you personal opinion. Daewoo cars does not exist, at least in the US. The cars made in the former Daewoo assemble plants in Korea, that are sold by GM in the US are Suzuki models. The Korean brands sold in the US are Hyundai and KIA. Hyundai cars outrank similar Toyota and Honda models in survey done in the US.
Hyundai dealers recently allowed customers to ran a comparison test drive, between their car, a Civic, Corolla and a Focus. All were equipped the same. The price difference among the four cars from the Corolla down to the Hyundai was $5,100. The Corolla was the most expensive followed by the Civic, Focus, Sonata.
I personnly do not drive small cars and I no longer buy import brands but the question for one who does should be, is a Corolla worth 30% more to me than a Sonata? Particurally when the Hyundai has a 100K warranty and the price differance will buy ALL of the fuel for a Sonata for the three to four year the average American new car buy keeps their car before buying another new car.
Courier fleets use hundreds of those as well as Neon's, Corollas, Focus, VW, Civics and others. Courier cars are generally run around the clock and easily accumulate 100K or more a year. They remain is service from three to five years.
mike

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You're comparing perfection with crap.
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And when you look in the mirror the anal sphincter you see says what to you?
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Perhaps in your opinion, the Corolla is indeed a great car but not worth anything near the selling price and certainly not worth the price for the parts. At least that what shows up when both are used in courier service. That is why the courier fleets are buying more Hyundai's today than Toyotas.
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Mike Hunter wrote:

Apparently, in Simon's opinion, Toyotas are not only a great car, but they worth their selling price. I believe he feels they are worth the price for the parts, too.
Maybe in your opinion, they're not. However, please don't put words in other people's mouths.
Maybe if simon starts a courier service, he will by hyundais or Fords.
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Merely stating a fact, GM out sells Toyota in the US
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Perhaps, but according to the US Department of Commerce's site, as of this month GM is still ahead of Toyota by several million vehicles, year to date, in the US.
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 17:30:59 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

Really? It would be quite a trick for GM to be ahead of Toyota by "several million vehicles, year to date" since GM has only sold 1,220,781 vehicles in the US as of April 30. Toyota sold 816,312 vehicles in the US during the same time frame.
So GM might outsell Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the US this year. But if you look at the trend over the last four years, Toyota could surpass GM in US sales in 2009 or 2010.
Here are my references:
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/01/046236.html
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/01/046202.html
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/04/24/045313.html
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Gordon McGrew wrote:

Don't worry, Mikey has never been one to let facts get in the way of his desired conclusion.
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Duh! Year to date is the end of April '06 to April '07 dummy. GM sell more trucks alone in the US than Toyota sells cars and trucks ;)
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Duh! year to date is from Jan 1 to current date . April '06 to April '07 is called 12 month period DUH!!. Be careful when you call someone dummy.
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Double Tap wrote:

Actually, he got that wrong, too. April 06 to March 07 is a 12-month period. April 06 to April 07 is a 13-month period.
I think he must has a reflection on his screen that he is looking at when he calls other dummy.
Jeff

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You are correct Jeff, April 1 through March 31 is a one year period. Crap I am a day late and a dollar shor one more time.
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Mike Hunter wrote:

What planet are you on?
According to Investment works, http://www.investorwords.com/5360/Year_To_Date.html , Year to date means "For the period starting January 1 of the current year and ending today."
April 07 to April 07 is thirteen months.
You're wrong on two counts. Who's the dummy here?
Before calling someone a dummy, look in the mirror.
> GM sell more

Wrong, again, as usual.
GM sold about 1.2 million vehicles in the US this year (to end of April). Toyota sold about 0.8 million. Almost 1/2 of GM's sales are trucks in the US, so Toyota sold about 0.7 million trucks, at most, in the US. 0.8 is not less than 0.7.
Before calling someone a dummy, look in the mirror.
Jeff

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In the automotive business (at least at Toyota Motor Sales), "year to date" generally refers to calendar year to date ("CYTD"), as Jeff pointed out. Vehicle sales are generally reported as YTD or CYTD unit sales.
The automakers report fiscal results as fiscal year to date ("FYTD").
Occasionally, sales of a particular series, i.e., Camry, Corolla, Echo, etc. will be reported as model year to date ("MYTD") to compare a model year to model year sales.
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MPG wrote:

This is one of the few smart GM marketing moves of recent times. Encourage people to compare the product to the benchmark right then and there, without sending them to the competition to check 'em out.
John
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