My question is this.
If Chrysler doesn't have the volume to keep their designs up to date,
why did GM fall so far behind with their designs?
GM rested on their laurels thinking that their position as #1 would
never change, that it was theirs by divine right. GM failed/refused to
look at the real world and they are now paying the price-as are Ford &
Chrysler. The Detroit Tiny Three fading into history.
This company was doomed by bad management long ago. I still own & drive
Mopars from the '70's - Plymouth Furys(2), Dusters(2), Scamps(2) - Dodge
Darts (1) & Chrysler Cordobas (3) and New Yorkers (1). I also have a 87
Dodge 4x4 and two cars from the '90s - an Intreped & a Concord, both
disappointing junk.. I use to run Jeeps before Chrysler bought them too, the
new ones are cheap mass market junk compared to the old ones... little 4
bangers with chinsy thin doors.
I'm hoping someone -an American- buys Chrysler and pulls it back away from
all of this Global garbage. I use to proud to run Chryslers, Plymouths,
Dodges & Jeeps but now their nothing but a shell covering some foreign
manufactures junk. My real concerns are:
1. Will Jeep be included in the sale of Chrysler? and who gets Jeeps 4x4
technology? (Jeep Quadratrac from the 70s was tough to beat).
2. Who gets the Hemi Engine design? The Hemi engines being produced today
are not the same engine design from the 60 - 70 engines.. it's a cheap
redesign to capitalize on the legend of one of the greatest engines ever
built, the 426. (Chrysler built smaller Hemi's back in the 50s too -331,
354, 392) Todays Hemi's are going to be dropping pushrods down into the
engine after they get substantial wear on them and then Hemi will get a bad
name because the Germans ruined it.
I see the cheap, ugly little car that they are passing off as the Dodger
Charger today, and my only thoughts are: 'Man, what an insult to the Dukes
of Hazard!' The Dodge Charger is my all-time favorite car & the 426 Hemi
engine my all-time favorite Engine, but that new thing isn't a Dodge Charger
& that ain't a true Hemi under the hood... I would never even consider
buying one.. their ugly and look like they've been put in a trash compactor
to crunch a foot off each end. ( I am negotiating on a 66 Charger, no
engine, and a 70 Charger with a 440 right now).
Right there is a perfect example of the marketing failure of Chrysler...
they left the people who took them to the dance in the first place. Instead
they went for mass appeal with marketing gimmicks like renaming a German
peice of junk with the legendary name of an American Classic. Did these
people at Chysler also think I would run right out and buy a Mitsubishi just
because they stuck a DODGE name plate on it? Who's idea was it to put cheap,
defective mass market ball-joints on Dodge Durangos when people buying
Durangos expected something heavy-duty? Come On!!! I just can't wait to see
the made in China or Korea version of Chrysler... the German version sure
was an insult.
For lack of a better alternative, I'm going to be running cheaply made
Chevy Blazers until Chrysler produces something truely American that I would
once again be proud to own. It will probably be an eternal wait since it
seems that Chrysler has a historic tradition of Clueless management. I don't
really give a F*&% if Germans, Japs, Chinese, Enviros or writers for the Car
magazines like MY car or not, if I wanted one of their cars I would've
bought one and I'm tired of being insulted by them trying to sell me their
cars by puttting a Chrysler/Dodge name-tag on it. I want an American Car
built BY Americans FOR Americans. I want a tapered box front-end and sleek
quarter panels/roof lines leading to a box back-end. I want a big gas
guzzling V-8 with rear wheel drive and enough horsepower to melt the tires
off. That was what Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth was all about... not mass-market
cars but cars for niche buyers, buyers who want traditional Ugly American
Cars. When they built a car like that I'll buy one (even a new slant-6 Dart
would do), they can take their current version of the Charger and Hemi
engine and shove it.
The new Dodge Charger is not ugly nor is it underpowered.
Who cares if it's not a true "Hemi". It has 350HP in R/T package and 425HP
in the SRT8.
It's a great car and something GM couldn't give us a 4 Door RWD V8 without
paying Cadillac prices.
Not too many people remember the cars from the 60's and the ones that do are
too busy buying Buick Lacrosse/Lucernes.
Keep driving your POS Chevy Blazer.
Come on. If it's got 4-doors, it ain't a Charger. That's all there is too
it. And you want to make a bet on how many people remember the 60's
Chargers? Ever heard of "The Dukes of Hazard"? Or, the 2 new movies, all
using the '69 Charger? One of the most popular TV cars of all time.
The Charger is a nice looking car, but IMHO, it's not a Charger. They should
have came up with another name, and built a 2-door to have the honor of
being called "Charger".
I was a toddler when the Dukes were on TV.
The over 35-40 crowd will remember the show and the ones that remember the
That was almost 40 years ago which means you would have been at least 18
years old to consider buying back then which makes you 58+ years old.
Get with the times.
What about the new Impala SS? It's not even RWD for F*&^ sake.
Just wait for the Dodge Challenger if you have to have a 2 door.
Apparently you have had your head stuck in the ground the past several
years. I too was a toddler when the Dukes were on TV, but you can bet your
ass I know what a '69 Charger is. Even in the newest "Dukes of Hazard"
movie, they still used the same car, a 1969 Charger. And, check with your
"most popular car on TV" polls. Usually the General Lee wins every time. As
for the Dodge Challenger, the pictures I have seen of it are quite nice, but
I think the new Camaro will be crowned King.
Of course I have heard of the '69 Charger.
So what? Driving it and reading about it are too very different things.
You probably know nothing about the way it handles and it accelerates.
Plus, I never buy used so even if the '69 Charger was so great I won't be
buying a used one.
Many cars today will handle better, accelerate as fast, and have many more
modern and practical advances. That has nothing to do with the enjoyment of
driving a classic automobile, flying a classic airplane, or cruising in a
mahogany Cris Craft inboard speedboat, etc. You evidently don't know, and
don't care, and that is just fine. It makes more room for the rest of us
that do appreciate such things. They just don't make nostalgia like they
used to. Let's talk about this again in ten years.
Most new car buyers in the under-35 year old crowd are buying minivans and
aren't the target market for a sedan. Plus they cannot afford to buy
The Charger is apparently being marketed to the over-35 year old crowd who
were buying minivans 10 years ago and today, still have all those kids (but
the kids are just older) yet want to have their wanna-be sports cars, so
settle for a 4 door to answer the practicality aspects, but select a sedan
a famous sporty name on it to answer their wanna-be instincts.
The marketers are competent enough -they damn well know their market. It
is just a crying shame they had to drag a grand old name like Charger down
into the mud.
Haha hahha a hha aaah. Whew! There's somebody that's /hard/ to insult.
This wasn't the first time I've heard somebody say the modern Hemi isn't
"the same" as the Hemis built 40 years ago. Gosh, we know that. Everybody
knows it. Don't worry, there's not any sane person that thinks that's the
same motor. Calling that a "hemi" just empty marketing with lots and lots
of horsepower. We all get it. Trust me.
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