No, but the Cobalt and Pontiac G4(not sold in the US) are.
I would ignore anything that Consumer Reports says because they have
clearly proven that they don't know what they are talking about time and
Years ago they rated the Dodge Omni as better than the Plymouth Horizon.
The only difference between them was the grill. They also listed the AMC
Alliance as a good buy, at one point. . ;)
Wrong. The Omni may have rated higher than the Horizon with their owners and
it is entirely possible that for a given model year that occurred, but it
would balance after a few years of survey results. No way do I believe that
in a road test one would be rated better than the other.
As for them rating the Reliance as a good buy based on a road test, that may
(or may not - which issue?) true. I rented an Alliance once and while not
powerful by any stretch it was`a remarkably comfortable small car with good
handling and mileage. Drove one 350 highway miles in great comfort. Much
better than American small cars of the same period in that regard. I am sure
that you are not talking about a owner survey reliability result as no
Renault sold into this country has ever been worth a damn as far as
When the new Grand Prix came out in 2003 (I think) they went ahead and
panned it in their "review" (I think it was in their New Car Buyer's
Guide for that year), which they came out and said in their article was
based on last years model. The GP had been redesigned, and yet they
bash it and admit that they hadn't had an opportunity to drive the new
Now if you don't like a car after you've driven it, that's one thing but
when you are a supposedly unbiased magazine offering consumer advice and
you bash a car that's just undergone a major redesign (a car that by
your own admission you've not set foot in, let alone taken for a test
drive) because you didn't like the previous model ... that tells me you
came into it with a bias from the get go.
10 people respond, 8 say their car is bad so it gets a bad rating.
Brand loyal dunces never say anything bad about their Volvo, Saturn, Honda,
etc. . It's all normal service items.
CR is clueless, I service appliances and routinely see them recommend crap.
Then low and behold 2 yr. later they downgrade the item.
But I love them as the SUCKERS that read that rag and believe them buy that
garbage and I make money on them fixing that overpriced garbage.
So, what's your point. Every magazine that tries to 'rank' cars does so
from their perspective, and there is a better-->worse listing for great
cars and for crap. That argument has nothing to do with CR. Further, they
test a pretty broad cross-section, so their reviews have good points as to
how some manufacturers are making their cars just a bit better than others.
IF, however, you're talking about their reliability rankings, you're still
wrong. CR doesn't create these lists, per se, the subscribers answer a
questionaire and CR reports.
The point is statistically their ratings or meaningless to a buyer. The
fact is they don't list which are great cars and which car is crap. The
list them as one compared to another, in the opinion of their few thousand
subscribers who bought ONE of the 18,000,000 sold annually in the US. The
fact is what they are really telling you is ALL manufacture make some that
are not up to snuff. Statically the 'bad' ones are equal to around 2% of
all the vehicles a given manufacture sells. The odds of getting one of
their 'good' ones is 98% no matter how many the manufacture sell in total.
Any buyer therefore has a 98% chance of getting one of ANY manufactures good
ones. Betting the ONE particular vehicle you buy will not be one of the 2%,
based on someone opinion of which one will be the less likely to leave you
with one of the 2%, is therefore foolish at best.
You are definitely in need of a clue or two, sir. We bought a used LS400 12
years ago, still have it. CR said it was a very reliable car and it has been
exactly that. No defects at all for first 6 years of our ownership and then
I had to replace a HVAC control unit because of fading display ($200 for a
rebuilt I put in myself). Bought a Yukon XL new in 2000. Gets the same use
level as the LS400. CR says that that model year is less reliable than most
and is prone to electrical problems. After 28,000 miles it has had: failed
electric fuel pump - cost me $400 to replace plus GM kicked in $400 (because
while out of 3-year warranty, it has low miles), defogger tab fell off rear
window and was non-repairable - cost me $420 to replace, ABS sensor failed
due to corrosion causing brakes to not work at very low speeds - cost me
$100 to repair, but there is a recall on this one and I should be
re-imbursed, rear power window failed - cost me $80 to repair with a local
dealer kicking in another $80.
I'd say that has it exactly right for these two vehicles and if I were
buying either used I would take their advice to heart. Thankfully, Yukons
have gotten better and are now average, as I recall, in reliability while
LS430's continue to be much better than average.
Short answer is that CR owner surveys are very valid and do tell you, the
used car buyer, which are the good and which the bad. For the new car buyer
they tell you who has a history of being good and who bad and that is not a
bad way to predict future performance.
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