click and clack, the tappet bros. on the issue of fuel economy

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Neal Peart (drummer from the rock band 'Rush') went on a 2 year 25,000 mile motorcycle trip. He drove across Canada up to Alaska, down to the USA, crisscrossed the USA a couple of times, then drove through Mexico, Middle America, South America, then back up through S. American, M.America, Mexico then again across the USA then back up to Canada. He did it on a BMW 1100(?) dual-purpose bike. He wrote a book about the trip -- "Ghost Rider". Excellent and interesting book. Sometimes, some of his friends would hook up with him to ride a stretch of the trip with him, but mostly he was by himself. The morning that he left to start the trip, he drove down to the local gas station and the kid who works there filled his tank up with diesel! So he thought that might be a bad omen but it wasn't.
Another guy, back in the late 70's, took his moped on a 15,000 mile trip through Canada, Yukon, Alaska. interesting stuff:
http://wmuma.com/moped78/index.html
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Steve W. wrote:

And just don't EVER get into an accident while on a motorcycle...
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Toyota tried to make me into a hood ornament. Scratch one cherry '88 Sportster . Got a bigger bike (the FLH) , slid out in a parking lot last December, too cold for the touring tires I run ...
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Add an enclosed body, three more seats and two more wheels, heating system and windows and what will it get???? ;)
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Wifey's Rebel 250 will only get to 80 with me on board, but I weigh more the engine's displacement. It is a 50 mpg plus bike, so good on gas it ain't worth checking the MPG
Had a '82 Civic w/auto trans. 1.5 65 HP tin can, on the highway it was a rolling Jap coffin. Top speed on the flat, 85 after a 5 mile run. But for $400 on a low budget it beat walking at the time.
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Sounds like you think there's a brickwall preventing good mpg in excess of 50, nope. And I won't go down a road about motorcycles that everyone knows can easily exceed 50 mpg, especially the toy ones you're speaking of. "Toy" cars in western Europe regularly get much better gas mileage. There's no equivalents here to speak of. Two differences. One is EPA standards, the other is smaller size and less weight along with smaller CC engines. Even the terms for midsize on one side of the lake is different than ours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-size_car Contrary to some opinions expressed in the past in this newsgroup, Western Europe does have an EPA equivalent bureacracy.
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Buyers in Europe buy small cars because they can not afford to pay all of the taxes levied on larger vehicles and on the fuel they use. In the US buyers are not restricted by higher taxes as to what they buy, so they buy the vehicle they want and can afford. Those buyers that can not afford the large safer vehicles, they may prefer, have to buy the smaller cars they can afford or buy used vehicles. Look at the sales figures of any vehicle line sold in the US and you will discover it is not the cheapest stripped down model of that brand that is the best seller. In the US it is mostly market forces that determine which one people will buy, not those forced upon by the government as is the case in Europe. Census figures show the average household in the US owns more than two vehicles, on average.
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Grappletech wrote:

We have had similar discussions before. I am wondering, out of curiosity, do you live in city, suburbia, or country and how much do you drive per day and what do you drive now? I live in Katy, Texas (west Houston suburb) and drive 25 miles one way towards downtown to work every day (and 25 miles back) on the Katy Freeway (west I-10). On a good day it takes me 45 minutes at 05:40 and 55 minutes at 18:00. I hate to give up my 92 Grand Am - it gets 24 mpg city and 27 freeway and can still burn the tires through an intersection but it has 196k on it now. Still does not use oil between 5k changes.
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The Grand Marquis is still the best buy on the market today. Nothing else in the 18K to 22K range brand new even comes close. ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:

I've seen several on the freeway. Decent looking car. I'll have to check them out along with Ford Fusion.
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Mike Hunter wrote:

It brings elegance to the driving experience much the way a chandelier does to a bathroom, and it truly reflects the finest in Southern and Midwestern tastes.
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snipped-for-privacy@lawyer.com wrote in

Cops seem to dig them, and their Ford clone: the Crown Victoria. Cops love those V8 RWD cars like Crown Vic/Marquis, Dodge Diplomat/Plymouth Gran Fury, Chevy Caprice/Impala. Our small town police dept. uses the newer FWD V6 (3800) Chevy Impalas. What do you all's police dept's use?
A friend of mine had a really cool '88 Dodge Diplomat with the Interceptor package -- 360ci, HD everything. He paid like $400 for it at an auction. Fast car.
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The Ford CV is favored by police departments by around eight to one nationwide.
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I live in a small town about an hour away from a large city. I work nearby so only drive about 10 miles per day on average. We do go on road trips a lot. I drive a 2004 Kia Sedona minivan, and the wife drives a '99 Olds 88 3800. Up until a year ago, I did have a long commute.
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grappletech wrote:

Thanks. I have a better understanding of your view point now. I don't disagree with it. I had pictured you as living in NYC and not owning a vehicle. Someday I would like to work less than 25 miles away - and still make decent money. Paul.
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I also follow VW newsgroups. Same history there of their line of vehicles. Bigger engines, more horses, mpg hasn't really changed over two decades. Dependability and VW factory maintenance contracts have though for the worse.
Also another hurdle along the way in the last 2 decades is the EPA requirements for exhaust gases.
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Todays Accord is a much larger car, because that is what the American buyer prefers to buy. Honda still makes a car, the size of the eighties Accord that get 35 MPG. It is called the Civic. ;)
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Yep, and the first Civics were getting 50+ mpg hwy.
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That is not true as best the first Civics could get was 45 MPG, I owned one. However the first Civics were midget cars, with much smaller engines as well. They were dangerous little cars that could barely get out of their own way. To get any vehicle that will attain more than 50 MPG one needs to buy a motorcycle ;)
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It's possible to have high mpg with low horsepower, but would you drive one of them? Consider merging onto freeways where power is needed, plus us in the south (especially Texas) will not give up our a/c in a car. I once owned a 1979 Eldorado diesel with 115 horsepower. It was nice for cruising, but never broke 24 mpg at best. Plus, whenever you pulled on the freeway you floored it and prayed you made it. Personally I'd rather have the power of my 3.8 Impala that can get 33 on the highway in great comfort. Roy

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