You DO know that the Sebring (except for the convertible) is a JAPANESE
car, don't you? Designed and built by Mitsubishi. The Sebring
Convertible is a Chrysler JA chassis, same as the 4-door Cirrus and Stratus.
Oh please. ALL of the car manufacturers generally claim that only
INTERNALLY LUBRICATED components are part of the powertrain. I agree
that its silly, but they all do it.
No it isn't. The Sebring coupe was, but it's not made any more. The
Sebring now is a 4-door sedan, the JS body. The Cirrus name
disappeared with the previous model, the JR. The Stratus is also
gone; now the 4-door Dodge is the Avenger (which at one time was the
Dodge version of the 2-door Sebring coupe).
So Cirrus sedan (JA) --> Sebring sedan (JR) --> Sebring sedan (JS)
Sebring coupe (FJ) --> Sebring coupe (ST) --> gone
Sebring convertible (JX) --> Sebring convertible (JR) --> Sebring
Stratus sedan (JA) --> Stratus sedan (JR) --> Avenger sedan (JS)
Avenger coupe (FJ) --> Stratus coupe (ST) --> gone
And BTW, the Sebring and Avenger coupes were made in the US.
I guess I'm fortunate here re Chrysler dealerships.
We have many dealerships of all flags and our Chrysler dealers are first
class. I've dealt with most of them since the early 80s.
Unfortunately our GM dealerships always turn me off with a terrible
marketing approach, so I haven't purchased a GM vehicle since the 70s,
even though I once was a GM buyer.
The Ford dealership nearest me, which I would deal with, is also a bit
scummy on marketing. I wonder how many years they have been forced to
have their weekly "bank forced" sale at "less than cost". Such crap, I
certainly wouldn't trust them after reading their ads.
I'd go further and say that "initial quality" is utterly meaningless. It
just tells if the car is prettily assembled, and whether or not it
rattles. So what? A car can rattle but not fail for half a million
miles. It can also have crooked door seams, but who cares so long as the
engine tolerances are superb.
As far as first-year model buying, it helps to know some of the history
of the company and its design process and other products. A "new
drivetrain" that is actually based on an older engine design usually
carries almost no risk. One of the best vehicles I've ever owned is my
wife's 1993 (first year) LH with a 3.5L (first year) engine. But the 3.5
is based on the 3.3/3.8 block which was designed by Bill Weertman's
(designer of the slant-6, LA series v8, and B/RB series big-block) group
back before he retired, so its been utterly bulletproof for 244,000
miles and still going.
Compared to what? I drive one daily and don't find it to be a problem.
It is much better than my Nissan Frontier or my SO's RAV4 but not as
good as my old F150 or the Expedition I used to drive. I'd rate it as
equivalent to my Sister 4 Door Civic, except the Fusion has
No, the Fusion is a shared platform with Mazda (40 percent of which is
owned by Ford). The Ford 500 is the one that shares a platform with
Volvo (which is wholly owned by Ford). Ford also owns Jaguar and several
other "foreign" brands now.
Well, Land Rover; hardly "several." They just sold a controlling
interest in Aston-Martin, and that's it. The "foreign" brands are
Fords, not like GM with Opel, Vauxhall, and Holden -- different brands
than in the US,
That sentence doesn't make any sense. Opel, Vauxhall, and Holden have
*always* been GM, they're not foreign makes that GM has bought. Saab, on
the other hand, is now a GM product but was once an independent company,
just as Volvo and Jaguar are now Ford products.
Actually GM did buy all those companies. They bought part of Opel in
1929, the rest in 1931. They bought Vauxhall in 1925. Holden was
purchased in 1931. GM has purchased many brands over the years. In
fact, GM mostly grew by purchasing other companies until the mid
1930s. Saab was a relatively late addition, being purchased in 1990.
GM bought Buick in 1905, then Cadillac, Oldmobile, and Oakland and GMC truck
before 1910. Chevy bought GM in 1915! What was the ORIGINAL name of the
Cadillac Motor Company?
Dodge Brothers built bodies for Mr Ford until 1915. Didn't Maxwell become
Chrysler? I thought Mr Chrysler rebuilt Maxwell in 1924 and couldn't get a
shot at the Auto Show in NY that year if I remember right and then Plymouth
came out in 1928 or thereabouts.
Then there's Ford, which purchased Lincoln, which oddly enough was started
by the guy who purchased the Henry Ford Motor Company in 1902. Then they
started Mercury in 1938 or thereabouts.
Charles of Schaumburg
More than that, Horace Dodge *designed* the Ford engines as well as
building engines and other components for Ford.
Walter P. Chrysler was an executive at one of the GM divisions (Buick, I
think, memory's vague) before setting off to assimilate his own car
company. He bought Maxwell and Dodge Brothers, and your timeline is
probably right, I just don't remember my Chrysler history that
precisely. It may not be fair to say that Maxwell "became" Plymouth, but
in fact that's more or less what happened. Maxwell had built a solid,
unglamorous every-man's car, and that's what the Plymouth division
produced as well. The Chrysler nameplate was the higher end of the line,
competing with Cadillac, Olds, Buick, and Lincoln. DeSoto and Imperial
completed the Chrysler lineup that lasted into the early 60s. DeSoto was
a nameplate that was fabricated purely for marketing, having no
"ancestry" in any other car company besides Chrysler. Imperial was
originally to be a competitor to the really high-end makes like
Duesenberg, Pierce-Arrow, etc. and specialized in building powerful
engines and heavy chassis that were sent to custom coach-builders (like
LeBaron) for bodywork to suit the customer.
The story I've heard is Durant, who put together GM, lost control to
bankers on the board of directors. So he teamed up with Louis
Chevrolet to found Chevrolet, bought GM stock with the profits, and
strode into a GM board meeting one year and announced, "Gentlemen, I
control this company."
Chrysler wanted to buy Dodge from the widows after the Dodge Bros.
died, but didn't know if the deal would go through, so he introduced
DeSoto. When he got Dodge, the 2 brands were close to each other, and
even swapped places at least once in the pecking order.
Interesting trivia (to me at least): the first year it was out,
Valiant was a separate make, not a Plymouth.
Yes, to compete with Ford and Chevy.
And of course, Nash and Hudson became AMC, which was bought out by
Renault, which then was bought by Chrysler and cars sold as Eagles.
And Jeep, which was Willys, then sold to Kaiser, then to AMC, then
became owned by Renault when they bought AMC, and then Chrysler.
And don't even mention poor ol' Studebaker.
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