I don't think you can make a blanket statement as to which is most
safe. Crumple zones can be a huge plus for the new cars while mass
can be a plus for an old car.
It just depends on what you hit or what hits you. If I was going to
be involved in an accident with another car I would rather be in one
of my oldies. I've got the mass and metal on my side and the other
car can be my crumple zone. If I'm going to hit a brick wall I would
much rater be in a new car that will crumple up instead of me
The whole idea with newer cars is to have a rigid cage structure
around the passenger compartment, and crumple zones at the end. They
even put nice accordion pleat starter grooves on the frame stubs so
the fold patterns are pre-ordained.
Crumpling at the ends will cause the car to be totaled easier, but
it soaks up all that energy a lot easier than the passenger bodies.
Bodies can't soak up nearly the energy that the car body can, the
internal organs simply can't handle the sudden stop - Ascending Aorta
The car can fold in at the ends like an accordion, as long as the
engine and transmission go down and out of the way and not shoved into
the passenger compartment.
Same thing with the foot box, they try to keep the pedals and the
steering column from being displaced into the driver, they will rig
the crash to bend the steering column & wheel up and out.
Old cars will follow the same basic 'compartment and crumple' model,
but they really weren't computer designed scientifically to do it so
the results vary wildly.
--<< Bruce >>--
There's a Pontiac Fiero at the local tow yard today.
He was sitting in a left turn lane when someone coming the other way at 80+
thought his left turn lane looked like a good passing lane.
Nailed the Fiero, not directly head on, spun it around a few times. Most
of the plastic stuff disappeared or was shredded. No engine in the front,
so there's not much left of the front, but the driver opened the door and
got out. The passenger compartment isn't even distorted much.
One of the local volunteer fire department guys has been hauling people out
of crashed cars for decades. He said they used to be dead, then head
injuries, then upper torso, now crushed ankles, as the decades go by.
Unibody cars tend to fold up if the passenger compartment distorts, with
the dash and under-components trapping and crushing the feet and ankles.
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
But as we see when two SUVs with little crumple zone hit one another the
people in both vehicles are often seriously injured.
A high percentage of todays vehicles are large SUVs with little crumple
Then there is the single vehicle accident situation when you hit a hard
object, but you will never do that will you!
Who is we? I don't see this scenario. I see more hurt people come
from the small car vs SUV scenario where the small car gets clobbered.
SUV vs SUV doesn't seem to result in any more injuries than car vs
In my post that you quoted I said that I would rather be in a new car
if I was going to hit a brick wall. Just in case you haven't noticed
brick walls are hard objects.
Sadly, lots of people believe in rolling those dice.
I think anyone who thinks that's a good idea should, for even only one day,
observe motor vehicle cases in a large ER. *Any* large ER.
Made a seat belt believer out of me - quickly.
And have you seen the price of drugs lately? They're trying to get rid of
quinine, which is a naturally occuring substance, so they can't really
charge a ton for it. But the drug companies have been trying to get rid of
quinine since the 1990's. They try to give dialyis patients Robaxin, but it
doesn't work on me or my dad. (I think Robaxin is some sort of muscle
relaxant.) Next they'll try to get rid of asprin. Now I can only get some
artificial quinine substitute that costs me $110 a month, whereas before the
quinine I took cost less than $10 a month.
Charles of Schaumburg
Find a good herbalist that carries quinine bark and white willow
(natural aspirin the way it used to be obtained before they learned how
to make it synthtically).
We should always have those available in the U.S. unless Hillary and
Teddy get there way on outlaewing herbal medicine (which I don't think
will ever happen).
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
They'll try. Big Pharma has been trying to stick the Quack label on herbal
medicine since probably 1906.
Do you know the most common medicine to control diabetes in India?
Cinnaomon! I had an Indian doctor friend tell me as much. A lot cheaper
than the dollar-a-pill stuff they had me on, and for me, it actually works.
My numbers are almost too good.
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