Our newspaper ran an article about a local
group experimenting with bio-diesel fuel.
It went on to list the advantages of the diesel engine,
how the fuel needed less processing than gasoline,
how the engine wasn't "picky" about fuel source...
and how diesel was a more realistic solution than "electric"..
In spite of the "big three" having the largest market in the world,
and selling the most vehicles in the world..... ( local quotes )
none of them offers an auto-sized diesel engine.
The group had to go to Europe ( I believe Volvo ) for an engine.
Another example of our "forward-looking" auto industry.
I can remember a time when U.S. industry was at the fore-front
of new products, and new science..... What happened ?
Anyone see diesel in the American motorists future ?
new products, and new science..... What happened ?
I believe it definitely SHOULD be in our future. The Europeans use them in
and, when you see the price of gasoline over there, you can understand why.
The new breed of diesel cars are responsive, quiet enough, and well
mannered. They are
very fuel efficient.
At some point the fuel availability and price will shape our automotive
choices moreso than the
chrome, sheet metal, and fad buying habits that we enjoy so much today.
On Wed, 16 May 2007 07:34:29 -0700, <RJ> rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and
Keep in mind that two of the big three have huge presences in Europe and
Asia. A lot of the technology being developed for these European markets
will be brought right back here.
We still are. In fact, Duramax is a leader in diesel engines. It was a
joint venture between GM and Isuzu. Now, of course, Honda and many other
manufactureres have diesel engines. I would have loved to have the 2.9L
TDI in my Kia Sedona.
It is a bigger issue than that.
The US automakers sell a large percentage of their cars in California.
California has this NAZI organization called the California Air Resources
Board (CARB) which sets emissions standards for the state.
We don't allow any cars sold which don't meet those emmisions standards.
Diesel cars - until now - don't meet those standards, so they can't be
sold in CA. If the big three can't sell diesel cars in CA - roughly 10%
of the US market - they won't bother producing them.
Now, GM and Ford are producing cars outside of the US in their various
subsidiaries using diesel, and they are planning on bringing them over by
2009. I was just reading about a new Caddilac with a 2.9L TDI. pumping
out 250HP and 400ft/lbs of torque. (I think.)
Keep in mind, the last time Cadillac had a diesel it was a spectacular
failure in the minds of consumers.
This 2.9 will open up the market for 1/2 ton trucks as well. I went to
look at the GMC Acadia the other day for my wife. (She currently has a
Vue and wants seven passengars.) I mentioned to the sales guy how I'd
love to see a diesel suburban, to which he replied that I only need to
wait a few years.
Now, as for biodiesel...
...I'm not entirely sold on it. Of course, many people use waste veggie
oil in their cars/trucks, and this is workable. However, most would want
to run biodiesel. The problem is - producing biodiesel from new crops
like soybeans may be more harmful overall than pumping oil from the
The jury is still out on that.
I - for one - would like to get myself a 6.5L suburban. Unfortunately,
they are few and far between here in California.
#1 reason today is emissions. Diesel cannot (until recently) meet the
Diesels do have down sides. More frequent oil changes, hard starting in
cold weather, noise, smell, rough idle. Some of this has been overcome.
Now you add in the crappy diesel engines they tried to sell here and you
have customer skepticism at best.
Diesel engines operate at higher compression ratios, thus, the engine block
has to be stronger and more costly. When GM made a gas engine (mid to late
70's) into a diesel, it was a miserable flop and scared off potential diesel
I did own an '83 300D and liked it in spite of the downsides. I'd buy
diesel again if they offered a decent one.
Go and try a BMW 3 litre straight six diesel of 200+ bhp. (eg
330d, 530d) when in Europe.
I had the earlier BMW 2.5 litre one (M51 engine) in a GM Vauxhall
Omega (= Cadillac Catera) Even that was very smooth, with a
wonderful growl and mid range torque and 37 miles per UK gallon
(31 US miles per gallon?) in a 1.75 tonne Estate car which would
do 120 mph.
Not saying better, but light years ahead of the diesels of twenty
In fact the ONLY real downside is the more frequent and messy oil
Easy starting, pretty smooth idle, quiet - and above 10 mph you
would not know it was a diesel.
CW, Luton area, England
AS a former GM diesel car owner, I can vouch for their unrelieability during
that time. But, the idea was good to improve fuel mileage and decrease
pollution. My main complaint was poor acceleration and mileage did not meet
expectations, but I would consider diesel power witht he improvements in
technology that have occurred in recent years.
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