OK we have seen the First Ever G6 and said Blahh. And blahh to everything else under $30k. When or Will GM make a stylish car for the common man...Lord knows that this country is already flooded with Micky Mouse styling cars especially under $30k. Camary finally has come out with a decent body style and they were selling when they were ugly. What is GM going to do to go up against Camry?
The new Camaro will kick its ass in a year or so.
I'm surprised anyone likes the new Camry. It's the ugliest Toyota in a long long time. The only uglier Japanese vehicle is the Honda Ridgeline. It's even uglier than the Aztec.
People are buying japanese despite the funny styling because they want reliability and are willing to pay more for it. GM thinks people are buying japanese because they like the styling so are trying to copy the awkward looks. The G6 looks like the ugly Toyota Avalon.
The new camaro is a step in the right direction.
Yes, A very stylishly drafted bankruptcy petition.
You say nothing about the Honda Element. Yikes! My father-in-law has one. I don't know how to tell him. LOL
Why do you believe GM should drop down to the level of a Camry? GM already offers several V6 cars, under 30K, that can be driven home for thousands less than the drive home price of an underpowered 4cy Camry. ;)
mike
The Saturn Aura is it's next attempt:
Dude GM sells more than twice as many vehicles as Toyota. Somebody must like what GM has to offer, more than what Toyota has to offer than the myth of 'better' reliability. ;)
mike
Will it be affordable, though? If GM can make a good, base model V-8 for about $25K they have a wiener on their hands. If they price it at $40K... yawn.
nate
The 4-cyl. Camry is quite adequate, and also available in a stick, something that GM seems to think that their buyers are too stupid to handle.
nate
Mike Hunter wrote:
And yet... people keep buying Camrys. ( maybe they know something )
The Scion and Element are uglier.
As for the Camry, it was on my list of "possibles" to buy in the next few months. The new style took it off the list. Sides and back are ok, but that bulbous front grill turns me off. Nope, it won't sit in my driveway.
I supose if one standards are not too high. But why pay more for a 4 when one can get a V6? ;)
mike hunt
Not everyone is foolish enough to spend more for a 4 than a V6. Perhaps that why GM sells more cars than Toyota ;)
mike hunt
GM may sell more light vehicles, but I doubt they sell more CARS than Toyota does. GM's North American sales are heavily tilted to trucks, which you well know Mr Hunt Hunter.
a) it's a Toyota
b) the Toyota 4-cyl is almost as strong and doesn't sound like a bucket of bolts like the small Chevy six (2.8 based POS's)
I've got a lot of respect for the 2.8 family but I haven't seen a 2.8 based engine that didn't sound like ass. You can tell them coming from blocks away because they all sound like they're going to blow rods through the pan.
nate
Mike Hunter wrote:
How is this then.. In the US Toyotas sells more cars with one brand name on the hood. GMs divisions sells more cars in the US than Toyotas divisions. GMs divisions also sell more light trucks than Toyota or any other manufacture Chevrolet is the number one selling BRAND is the US as well. Toyota sells the number one CAR in the US, the Camry. Ford sells the number one VEHICLE in the US, at nearly twice the rate as the number one car, the F150 and has for 29 years ;)
mike hunt
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Who cares what Mike Hunter thinks? I want dependable and while Toyota & Honda may have hiccups from time to time they are the exception-with GM/Ford/DCX it is more the norm. Until Detroit's losers *average* quality is the equal of Toyota and Honda they will still fail-if they survive that long. Then there is the teeny matter of building & designing cars that people actually want to buy.
The new Camaro will be ready in 2009. That's two years or so. And the Camaro won't compete with the Camry; the Camry is for people who want 4 doors and a back seat comfortable for adults. You won't be seeing that in the Camaro.
And the Camaro concept, IMHO, is ugly, the back end is too overemphasized and the front end is too severe. The '67 and related vehicles were very attractive. This thing isn't. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, could be there will be a market for it.
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