Follow up...Oil changes, Toyotas, and GM problems

I've got a lot of friends that play with foreign cars like I play with domestics, and they will readily tell VW horror stories- overcomplicated nonsense like *pneumatic* door locks powered by a 12-v air compressor in the trunk, thermostat housings with half a dozen hoses that clamp on, etc. etc.

My personal experience with VW engineering is limited to the VW-built short block that my dad had in a '78 Plymouth Horizon. Second-worst car I've *ever* been associated with (worst was a '79 Mazda B2000), and a large part of it was the fault of the VW-Rabbit-derived short block that was built without the "need" for a harmonic balancer, and could have done serviceable duty as a hardware store paint shaker. Stupid thing literally vibrated parts off the car, cracked accessory mounting brackets, etc. I will say it never turned into an oil burner or outright failed, but even cockroaches are hard to kill.

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Steve
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Those types of vehicles are often kept on the road way too long. Sometimes you just gotta know when to fold 'em.

Toyota MDT in MO

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Comboverfish

nate,

The Passat seems to be a testbed for features that are going to go into other VW cars. Also, VW seems to sometimes not uprate the parts enough the first time around for the bigger car.

That said, I took a 1995 Passat from 70k to 156k before selling it, and apart from stuff that I broke myself doing silly things like driving over a curb, the non-maintinance items I had to replace were as follows: one EGR temperature sensor, one crank position sensor, one door latch, a thermostat, the load reduction relay, the secondary electric water pump, and a couple of gaskets and little clips here and there. I'm not counting things like brakes, struts, tires, so on, which wear out on every car. Actually, the stuff like brakes have done well: I put two sets on, but the second set is still more than half left, and I did the clutch at 150k but found out I didn't need to once I got it apart. I took it apart because the timing chain was getting noisy, and though I'm glad I did that, I didn't really need to once I got in there

- it was in OK enough shape for much more service, but since I had it apart I replaced the guides and chain anyway. The car is still driving around and hasn't needed anything else yet. Of course, if I had paid a shop to do these things I probably would have a bad opinion of the car, as I would have spent much on labor to fix little fiddly things that didn't need parts, or were an hour of work and a 15 cent part. An example: on the B4 platform there is a little pin in the door handles that slowly wanders out. You can pop the door handles out, grease them, and drift the pin back in every year or two, or you can do like I do and drill the pin out, then replace it with a screw and nut. It's annoying and takes a little bit of time to do, but it's not actually expensive to fix. Of course, I didn't need to do it the first time until 100k were on the clock, so if you tend to keep cars for less than that it might have never been an issue.

Lately with VWs, the lineup seems to be pretty solid mechanically. For instance, the VR6 engine has the bugs all worked out, the 1.8T seems fantastic for a turbo motor, the 2.0 is basically bulletproof if a bit of an oil consumer at this point, and the pre-2003 TDI has a short list of well known faults. The 2.5 FSI is still an unknown quantity and I might be a bit leery of it; thankfully the FSI system has gotten a couple of years workout in Europe, but it still is relatively new. New VW injection techniques aren't inherently bad, but even the (awful) dealers might not know how to troubleshoot them well yet if they go wrong, as it takes a certain amount of Zen to troubleshoot VW systems.

-Keith

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Keith Jewell

Well, yes and no. That one started being a PITA at about 30,000 miles, and was sold at only a little over 100,000 miles. Contrast that with all the other cars that passed through the family, NONE of which (exept for the Mazda) went less than 200,000 miles and several of which went a lot further.

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Steve

I did, an '84 GTI and it was even Westmoreland built. Despite the bad reputation the US-built cars had, it was pretty much trouble free once I rebuilt the suspension (struts were shot) and the only reason I sold it was because the alternator was bad and I was offered a much nicer Scirocco for $900ish IIRC. The Scirocco I drove for about 5 years with only normal maintenance, the only issue I had with it was some worn bearings in the transaxle (at 200K miles, go figure) that allowed all the gear oil to leak out the output flange seal, so I just threw in a cheap used tranny from a JEtta and kept on rollin.'

nate

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N8N

Took the opportunity to test drive a 2006 Passat today. Very quiet, impressively powerful with the turbocharged 4 cylinder. Well behaved car.

I asked the dealership representative about the situation with the autotrans. He said that the tranny is sealed and only needs service at very long intervals. When asked if the fluids were extremely expensive (as someone here on the group had suggested), he responded 'absolutely not'.

This Passat has all the earmarks of a very fine car, IF it holds up.

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<HLS

I am thinking of getting the Audi A3 or A4 with 2 liter 200 horse turbo charged fule injected gas engine (EPA fuel economy, city/highway (mpg):

22/31(US gallons))
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Paul

That little bitty car gets the same gas milage as my 88 4x4 s10?

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Eugene Nine

I believe the Passat has traditionally been on the same chassis and engine as the A4.

The claimed mileage is more than 31, when driven calmly.

When I nailed the turbo, the mileage indicator in the instrument cluster dropped to about 7 mpg. When I got off it, and was under no strain, it rose to 45 mpg.

Now, I know these are not accurate, but are darn helpful with driving habits.

To me, this car felt better than the Camry I recently drove. My wife thought it was not as quiet, but that could have been the influence of the turbo engine.

Price is about the same for Camry or Passat, considering like levels of trim.

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<HLS

That would have been me who mentioned the trans.

VW says very long service intervals. People who have dropped the pans on other forums have found enough metal filings that I would really be sketched out about not servicing it at a 60k interval or so. 100k is probably too long. If you think that's a long interval, fair enough.

You will spend $100 just on fluid if you get it flushed.

That said, I have a friend with nearly 200k on an automatic VW who has not even done a fluid change on it. It still shifts quickly and precisely. However, it is a 2.0 NB application.

-Keith

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Keith Jewell

Mercedes and VW seem to think that customers will love the idea of a sealed system. (Mercedes models of late have no option to check the oil physically. The VW has the sealed tranny.) Maybe they are right as far as John Doe is concerned, but I dont care for it really. I normally service my transmission every 40-50,000 miles, and change the oil every

3,000 because it lets me sleep a bit easier. Anyone who wishes can run his oil 15,000 miles and never change his tranny fluid.

I just dont want to make a big mistake when I shell out for our next car.

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<HLS
3,000 mile changes with modern oils are an absolute waste. You are throwing away money and oil. Even the 'severe service' schedule on my VW is 5000 miles, and many people on other forums who have done oil analysis on their 10k oil changes have found that the numbers are still great. There are folks on the TDIclub who do 20k changes and have 300k on their engines.

However, the sealed transmission is silly. It really is like a 100k oil change.

-Keith

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Keith Jewell

Well net nanny, maybe bcause it is interesting.

Suggest ya read the subject line, ya could have ignored it.

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Roy

I dont consider it a waste, nor does it cost me much money. I do it myself.

I dont put much faith in the validity of oil analyses either. I can change the oil for what a competent analysis would cost.

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<HLS

My Bonnie weighs 3500 pounds, puts out 205 horses, 230 torque and get's

30mpg as well. Can not get a better engine then the 3800 II, IMHO.
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80 Knight

Yes, they are basically nice engines. Have you had to have the plenum replaced yet? That is the only complaint I have with them.

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<HLS

I bought the car with 265,000 KM's on it and am up too 275,000 (in 3 months) so if it ever did need to be replaced, I would assume it was done long ago. :)

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80 Knight

I agree - especially if you do it yourself. The cost is small for an oil change and a good filter, usually $12 or so. The idea of trying to save $25 a year so that you can have "bragging rights" about the longest oil change interval is laughable. I suggest that some of those people review the OP to see what happened to some of the Toyota owners who opted for the "extended service plan". LOL

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doug

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