Follow up...Oil changes, Toyotas, and GM problems

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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


I've got a lot of friends that play with foreign cars like I play with domestics, and they will readily tell VW horror stories- overcomplicated nonsense like *pneumatic* door locks powered by a 12-v air compressor in the trunk, thermostat housings with half a dozen hoses that clamp on, etc. etc.
My personal experience with VW engineering is limited to the VW-built short block that my dad had in a '78 Plymouth Horizon. Second-worst car I've *ever* been associated with (worst was a '79 Mazda B2000), and a large part of it was the fault of the VW-Rabbit-derived short block that was built without the "need" for a harmonic balancer, and could have done serviceable duty as a hardware store paint shaker. Stupid thing literally vibrated parts off the car, cracked accessory mounting brackets, etc. I will say it never turned into an oil burner or outright failed, but even cockroaches are hard to kill.
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Steve wrote:

Those types of vehicles are often kept on the road way too long. Sometimes you just gotta know when to fold 'em.
Toyota MDT in MO
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Comboverfish wrote:

Well, yes and no. That one started being a PITA at about 30,000 miles, and was sold at only a little over 100,000 miles. Contrast that with all the other cars that passed through the family, NONE of which (exept for the Mazda) went less than 200,000 miles and several of which went a lot further.
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

I have always felt that the real character of a company, or a person, shows up when there is a problem. The decent company/person will do everything in their power to solve the problem they created or contributed to. The average, indecent company/person will run and hide and do everything possible to avoid any responsibility.
GM, sadly, has shown a lot of the second kind of behavior with things like it's long standing intake manifold gasket failures.
John
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We all have stories. I'll keep mine short: Chevy Camaro Z28, engine seazed at 42k miles - no Recall or Service Bulletin; Chevy put a new LONG BLOCK in, no qualms, no charge.
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Took the opportunity to test drive a 2006 Passat today. Very quiet, impressively powerful with the turbocharged 4 cylinder. Well behaved car.
I asked the dealership representative about the situation with the autotrans. He said that the tranny is sealed and only needs service at very long intervals. When asked if the fluids were extremely expensive (as someone here on the group had suggested), he responded 'absolutely not'.
This Passat has all the earmarks of a very fine car, IF it holds up.
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snipped-for-privacy@nospam.nix wrote:

I am thinking of getting the Audi A3 or A4 with 2 liter 200 horse turbo charged fule injected gas engine (EPA fuel economy, city/highway (mpg): 22/31(US gallons))

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Paul wrote:

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wrote:

I believe the Passat has traditionally been on the same chassis and engine as the A4.
The claimed mileage is more than 31, when driven calmly.
When I nailed the turbo, the mileage indicator in the instrument cluster dropped to about 7 mpg. When I got off it, and was under no strain, it rose to 45 mpg.
Now, I know these are not accurate, but are darn helpful with driving habits.
To me, this car felt better than the Camry I recently drove. My wife thought it was not as quiet, but that could have been the influence of the turbo engine.
Price is about the same for Camry or Passat, considering like levels of trim.
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wrote:

My Bonnie weighs 3500 pounds, puts out 205 horses, 230 torque and get's 30mpg as well. Can not get a better engine then the 3800 II, IMHO.
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Yes, they are basically nice engines. Have you had to have the plenum replaced yet? That is the only complaint I have with them.
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I bought the car with 265,000 KM's on it and am up too 275,000 (in 3 months) so if it ever did need to be replaced, I would assume it was done long ago. :)
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That would have been me who mentioned the trans.
VW says very long service intervals. People who have dropped the pans on other forums have found enough metal filings that I would really be sketched out about not servicing it at a 60k interval or so. 100k is probably too long. If you think that's a long interval, fair enough.
You will spend $100 just on fluid if you get it flushed.
That said, I have a friend with nearly 200k on an automatic VW who has not even done a fluid change on it. It still shifts quickly and precisely. However, it is a 2.0 NB application.
-Keith
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Mercedes and VW seem to think that customers will love the idea of a sealed system. (Mercedes models of late have no option to check the oil physically. The VW has the sealed tranny.) Maybe they are right as far as John Doe is concerned, but I dont care for it really. I normally service my transmission every 40-50,000 miles, and change the oil every 3,000 because it lets me sleep a bit easier. Anyone who wishes can run his oil 15,000 miles and never change his tranny fluid.
I just dont want to make a big mistake when I shell out for our next car.
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How come all this VW crapola is in a G.M. newsgroup ?

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Well net nanny, maybe bcause it is interesting.
Suggest ya read the subject line, ya could have ignored it.
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3,000 mile changes with modern oils are an absolute waste. You are throwing away money and oil. Even the 'severe service' schedule on my VW is 5000 miles, and many people on other forums who have done oil analysis on their 10k oil changes have found that the numbers are still great. There are folks on the TDIclub who do 20k changes and have 300k on their engines.
However, the sealed transmission is silly. It really is like a 100k oil change.
-Keith
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I dont consider it a waste, nor does it cost me much money. I do it myself.
I dont put much faith in the validity of oil analyses either. I can change the oil for what a competent analysis would cost.
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I agree - especially if you do it yourself. The cost is small for an oil change and a good filter, usually $12 or so. The idea of trying to save $25 a year so that you can have "bragging rights" about the longest oil change interval is laughable. I suggest that some of those people review the OP to see what happened to some of the Toyota owners who opted for the "extended service plan". LOL
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There's the rub. VW's have not, of late, been reliable.

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