GM head lights

Let me ask you a question Einstein. How do YOU get your car out of a drive in theater if you don't want to wait until the end of the showing? Most people drive out, and if your car forces the lights on whenever it is dark outside and you are driving, then it's a problem.

The act of turning on lights gives an extra sense of awareness to numb drivers? Of course DRL's defeat this as they are "on". Revenue builder. Surcharges on tickets are more than the fine. Have a friend who's wife didn't even know how to turn the lights on in a Grand Am due to the auto lights feature.

No matter the distance? If you ever pull into the opposing traffic lane at dusk when there is a vehicle actually approaching at 200 feet that you think is 500 feet away, let me know so I can call my brother. He has never witnessed a head-on collision. LOL

mike hunt

buickman wrote:

I do not know if you hold an engineering degree or not but you certainly are entitled to your own opinion of DRL's. The discussion, however, was in regard to REQUIRING the use in Pennsylvania of DAYLIGHT Running lights, not headlamps. Title

75, the Pa motor Vehicle Code, currently requires the use of headlamps to see as well as to be seen, "From sunset to sunrise and other hours of limited vision" If one perceives the lighting condition is such that they need to be extraordinary visible during DAYLIGHT, like when driving with the sun at ones back, they can simply activate the vehicles headlamps. A lighting system that does NOT cause confusion, at least that was the conclusion of the Pa legislature when they rejected the required use of DRL's, based on the engineering schools findings.

mike hunt

Tim Dolan wrote:

Headlamps, not DRL's, are required in construction areas because of there brightness. The light reflect off the reflective red vests required for workers under state regulations. Headlamps make vehicles more visible to the construction workers as well, so they do not step in front of one.

The Pa state police love DRL's. Almost daily, at dusk, one can see Canadian drivers pulled over on I-81 for driving with DRL's, when they should be running with the headlamp illuminated. $138 American for the Pa treasury LOL

mike hunt

"James C. Reeves" wrote:

It is easier than that, simply install a manual switch in the parking brake indicator light circuit, then cover the light if needed. That is what is done to undercover cars, used by police, that have DRL's

mike hunt

80 Knight wrote:

That's true, most moving violation fines in Pa are only $25. When the EMS training fee, the CAT fund fee and the cost costs are added driving in a construction zone with DRL's on anywhere else when headlamps are required will cost you $138. ;)

mike hunt

Repairman wrote:

Niether I, nor anyone I know, has ever been "confused" by DRL's. Maybe it's a PA thing. Unless and until they become the standard, I do believe they should be driver selectable. H

This does NOT work on my S-10. If the auto headlights activate due to darkness, they don't go off until it's light again or until the truck is shut off.

I DO however, turn my full running lights on if conditions are such that the auto headlights will turn on and off, or if I have to run my wipers (NY law on that one).

I think you need to sit back, relax, and calm down. I was simply making a suggestion, I was not trying to give him advise on ruling the world. You made your suggestion, and I made mine. Guess which one is easier to use? ;) Oh, and BTW, on the cars I mentioned, the e-brake only has to be engaged to the point where the little light comes on the dashboard to disable the DRL/auto lights. The e-brake itself (as in where the car won't move) is not actually engaged at all, so no damage is done to your car. It is called tricking the system. But, as I said, it was merely a suggestion.

I figured there would be a difference, as I am speaking of cars, and you of trucks, but as I said, it was just a thought. :)

Considering that the Tracker IS NOT a GM designed vehicle, why do you blame GM. It is a Suzuki with GM badges. Talk to Suzuki about it.

Drive-in movie? What century are you living in? Haven't seen one of those since the late 70s/early 80s.

Not a uncommon issue. Several accounts of this happening submitted as public comments to the NHTSA. Not that it matters...the NHTSA never seems to act on anything. They sure talk allot and attend many "conventions" though.

You may want to read up on comments submitted to the NHTSA. Driver confusion over the status of their lights is a fairly significant complaint...nearly all referring to GM model vehicles. The recent addition of the "auto" feature actually seems to have made the issue worse, especially during daytime fog situations when the "auto" system sometimes works and sometimes doesn't and DRLs reflecting in the fog being the only visual queue (too bright to see dash lights) is a combination where a driver simply has no easy way to know if their real lights are on (or not). Adding to that, in fog the lights might cycle on one minute and off a few minutes later and back on yet again later. One MUST use the manual switch and not rely on the "auto" (so-called) system when driving in fog. Many GM owners haven't figured that out. By definition...confusion. You may not even realize you're confused. You may think your lights are on when they're not and you've never realized it.

Maybe we can get the buddies we stashed in the trunk (to avoid paying for their tickets) to push the car out of the drive-in theater before we start it up. That would do the trick! ;-)

I think that trick affects the ABS

I wish all GM owners would do this!!!

There are a couple of drive-in's within a couple hours of Toronto, Ontario. I have been to both of them. :)