I saw on the news that the defective part is supplied by a supplier partial owned by TOYOTA toyota blamed their supplier on the brake problem will they own up to making a faulty steering pump motor.
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14 years ago
I saw on the news that the defective part is supplied by a supplier partial owned by TOYOTA toyota blamed their supplier on the brake problem will they own up to making a faulty steering pump motor.
What an insidious Plot By Toyota! SHAME!
Toyota is taking over GM gradually
I first heard this was an electric steering motor, not a power steering pump. Do you know what the facts are?
Further to facts, the "mechanism" at fault is described in some news articles as a motor, not a power steering pump. It is made by a company of which Toyota owns a minority shareholding (22.5%).
Listen to the bullshit.
Toyota's supplier....yes.
It is also GM's supplier to "GM" specifications I bet. American made too, like the Toyota gas peddles.
I look at the bright side, as America's consumers don't buy either over priced brand, it is going to be easier for Tata, Zenn and China to move in. If you are going to buy an expensive problem, at least make it cheap.
The best safety numbers out there isn't GM-NHTSA but the insurance rates. Seriously, government is corrupt and lazy. Your insurance company knows the hard statistics including duration of ownship, another important number of satisfaction. Ask them.
But this whole industry of rating cars is in for a shakeout.
I aways check out insurance before I buy...
glad you think that way when I bought my 2010 chev. equinox my insurance went down 80 dollars a year from the 09 saturn aura I traded.
The insurance company ratings are NOT a good way to compare one vehicle against another, since they crash test cars at a exponentially HIGHER rate of speed, in an offset collision, that is designed to set insurance rates not actually test of the survival RATE for properly belted passengers, as do the NHTSA tests. More importantly their test are NOT repeated Five times, as is required by the NHTSA
Why?
The insurance companies have a rating for the cost of repair for various cars. Some were considerably more to repair in a 5 mph crash than others. Some low priced cars ere rather expensive to repair compared to some high priced models. I had a copy of it a few years ago but since I no longer have it, I'm not going to attempt to remember which cars were good or bad.
That makes good sense. Thanks, Ed
Saturn was GM for all intensive purposes. Did you ever price out a Honda Civic?
Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL
Auto companies have some real accurate data on probabilty of accidents, costs, deaths etc. Very few auto collisions of signifigance are not reported to one insrance company or another. And companies like Allstate when compiling the data include everything about a vehicle model, not just one part of it.
I would bet their data is one whole lot more accurate than NHTSA-GM is. You bet. They could even add up the real costs.
Thanks for agreeing that insurance company ratings are NOT a good way to compare one vehicle against another, since they crash test cars at a exponentially HIGHER rate of speed, in an offset collision, that is designed to set INSURANCE RATES, not actually a test of the SURVIVAL RATE for properly belted passengers, as do the NHTSA tests.
I didn't agree you stupid mindless ass.
GM-NHTSA are bullshit compared to data of an insurance company in every respect possible. The reason government does not use real data it is doesn't allow for politicial favoritism and screwing with the numbers.
Bet GM-NHTSA couldn't come close to predict> Thanks for agreeing that insurance company ratings are NOT a good way to
Sure you did, dummy LOL
It is very hard with Japanese companies to figure out who owns what. A good example is Aisian. Toyota owns a big chunk. Another big chunk is owned by Denso, but then Toyota owns a big chunk of Denso, etc., etc.
The GM power sterring unit in qestion is electrical power steering, not hydraulic. The electric motor provides the assist.
There were around 1100 complaints made about the GM electrical power steering. Not all involved failures, many were, I just don't like it types of complaints. So far there have only been a few crashes and one injury blamed on failed motors. When the motor fails, it sound a warning and turns on a warning light. Of course if you are in the middle of trying to avoid an accident this might not be much comfort. However, you can still steer the car, the effort jsut goes up.
Ed
I think they are actually sourced in Asia.
IIHS/HLDI provides the data for insurance ratings. They provide it directly at
Ed
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