GM to cut 30,000 Jobs & Close several NA Plants

On Sat 26 Nov 2005 08:42:19a, Mike Hunter wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@ptd.net:

I last bought a Ford in 1974; Mustang with defectively designed engine recalled after warrantees had expired - they would pay those that had had engine replaced on their own before warrantee expired and could produce a receipt. The rest of us lost not only a few thousand in depreciation but that amount again because we stupidly picked a model with a defectively designed engine produced by a proud company that felt management's bonus' came way ahead of any group of customers that stupid.

I think they really earned my "loyalty". I may wait another 30 years before considering a purchase from Ford.

I remember hearing in the old days of lunch bags left in oil pans of new either GM or Ford (maybe both) cars by employees, evidently trying to educate the public on why they should not want to buy this brand. I thought that education program had historically the most bang for the buck EVER.

Exactly. And that is what some people can not seem to grasp. They think that you just sit there on your butt all day and do nothing, while making $25 an hour. Well, I guess it's easy for someone to say its simple work when they have never done it.

Heh...some people are so gullible, they'll believe anything.

Duh, I have news for you Ford no longer sells the 74 Mustang, The only Mustangs one can buy at a Ford dealer today is a 2005 and 2006. I own a new GT Convertible and it is a blast to drive and get 25 MPG to boot. There is no other convertible on the market that even comes close in size and power for the price. My GT cost over $5,000 less than what the Toyota and Chrysler dealers wanted for their convertibles, that have only a V6 that is driving the wrong set of wheels for a performance vehicle. ;)

mike

Toyota sells just over 10% of the vehicles sold in the US, Honda even less In total vehicle sales GM sells three times as many in the US as Toyota. Ford sells more than twice as many and Chrysler sell nearly half again as many as Toyota. Both GM and Ford sell more light trucks, including SUVs, than Toyota sells cars and trucks combined. In 2005 GM, Ford and Chrysler sold around 55% of all the vehicles sold in the US. ALL of the numerous others from Japan, Europe and Korea sold around 45% combined. Do a search and educate yourself before you post again on a subject of which you have little or no knowledge, WBMA.

mike hunt

That's strange. I buy a new vehicle every year and find the opposite to be true

mike

On Sat 26 Nov 2005 01:07:06p, Hairy wrote in news:3urq2uFvtn6lU1 @individual.net:

Yeah, silly; especially when they read of this stuff in a Detroit newspaper with no objections apparent from the auto industry ;)

On Sat 26 Nov 2005 01:28:00p, Mike Hunter wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@ptd.net:

:) Duh, I CLEARLY stated that I am not, nor will I be, in the market for anything Ford sells now or in the future. Anything bad about their reputation was very likely well earned by them.

That they saved some money by not repairing their faulty designs of the past (and future?) may, with many other factors, very well help lead to their future bankruptcy. But in any case, you can be sure that the CEO and his future family will have many good holiday seasons to come :o I am sure statistics will show that there are many millions of customers that have not bought a Ford for several decades and will continue not to buy. I any event, I remain a deeply disloyal customer of this particular corporation.

The point my friend is why do you want to compare what was on the market thirty years ago with what is available today? Surly you don't think the rust buckets Toyotas sold twenty years ago are the same as what they sell today do you? If that is the case I would never had bought any of the Toyotas I have owed over the years, based on the absolute god forsaken Toyopet I owned in the late fifties LOL

mike

There is a good point, when an imported vehicle needs something like a fuel pump or alternator or starter replaced at less than 100k its considered a "maintenance item". When I had to replace the fuel pump on my s10 after 12 years and 150,000 miles I was told how unreliable it was and I only had to replace it because off roading dented the bottom of the tank and years later it rusted through and the pump started sucking up rust.

On Sat 26 Nov 2005 02:33:19p, Mike Hunter wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@ptd.net:

:) That surely wasn't my point (or comparison), but you will never get it.

I agree, LOL

We would certainly welcome your recommendations to help GM *be* better. You haven't posted such "constructive criticism". Oh, by the way, input into how a person or organization can *be* better, needn't be criticism at all. It can be friendly advise, without criticism. Hmm, we haven't seen that from you either. It might be wise to "practise what you preach".

That's because they didn't park their computers in the company lot every day to put salt in the wound! *lol* You might have felt differently if your company had fallen on hard economic times and you had faced the prospect of being laid off, while your coworkers continued to bring in their computers with "Intel Inside" every day and flaunted Intel's superior technology. That's the comparison you have to consider. You have to walk in the same shoes as the GM employees.

You're right, it's not all about you John. I couldn't agree more. What made you even think it was? We couldn't give a damn about you and your "mindless" drivel.

I did find chicken bones in the air cleaner compartment of a 94 olds cutlass supreme. It caused no harm and I still use the car as a knock about. Doing my own minor maintanence, the car has never seen a dealer since I purchased it. It now has around 150K miles - uses no oil, leaks a little.

To use your own words "Where did you get that erroronius(sic) idea? "

How about some FACTS to back up your assertions?

doug

Worried about reliability?

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MN

I yield, you will cherry pick your facts to prove your points.

Why?

Rick

Right now Toyota in number two behind GM in auto sales and closing the gap (they just passed Ford and Chrysler is a distant 4th). They have not been at 10% for a long time