GM to cut 30,000 Jobs & Close several NA Plants

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What State are you from? I can't really see my Wally World in Mississippi paying $16.75 an hour.
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The Distribution centers starting pay is 10.75 hr. Wife has been there 5 years.
The stores starting pay depends on the job. Greeters get 6.50 or so Cashiers start at 7.75 Deli help starts at 8.50 T&L start at 9.50 > based on experience and title.
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Steve W. wrote:

Actually, I believe you completely. I'm sure Wal-Mart has great benefits... but they're great benefits because only 40% of the Wal_mart workforce actually QUALIFIES to receive benefits, which means they have a much lower potential cost than your averge company which employs more full-time workers than part-time.

Can't disagree at all with that one.
Sad thing is, I know people who are ex-union because they choose to be... They may have just had a rare bad experience, but all the people I know who are ex-union tell me stories about how their union leaders told them to work slower and less efficiently so management wouldn't wonder why EVERYONE wasn't working as hard.
Sad. I hope ALL unions aren't like that.
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doug wrote:

If they don't like it, they're free to leave.

Yes, you normally do have to go back that far to remember when unions contributed positively, rather than vampirically sucking on the tit of capitalism in order to justify their socialist existence.
The fringe

Regardless, if an employee is valuable to a company, that company will do whatever it needs to do to keep that employee. Sound familiar? It's called "merit," something that frightens the entitlement nuts in the unions.
Certainly

Of course unqualified statements like this are hilarious. But even if it was true, they probably kept their benefits by earning them, something else the unions have no concept of.
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Jerry is full of shit.
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GM has only built the Gas hogs because that was what the public was asking for, SUV's and pickups. When the price of gas changed instead of hollering rape by the oil companies, you complain about gas hogs. Don't complain about a national policy to eliminate these hogs. You obviously don't follow JD Powers and its quality ratings as GM ratings have constantly improved while the foreign models are slipping. The KIA is such a high quality product that in some parts of the country you have a hard time getting one financed. They do look good however. Oh well keep buying overseas products and you will be wondering were your job went to.
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My wife's Honda Accord was built in Marysville Ohio with major engine components supplied by USA based suppliers. Looks to me like Honda is NOT "outsourcing" it's parts to suppliers and sweatshops in Mexico and China, which both GM and Chrysler have been doing for several years now.
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Central Committee of The Bonobo Chimpanzee wrote:

" DETROIT - General Motors will undergo a wide-ranging restructuring

I always ask myself why they did not make some of these restructuring moves years ago. They didn't have the market share then to support the fixed costs. I worked for Rick in the 70's. He's a great talker and self promoter, but he bares the blame for much of the current mess not being addressed.
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snipped-for-privacy@mcpmail.com says...

If there's anybody to blame its Roger Smith. He's the one that started this whole domino effect!
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Despite all the blaming of the unions (some of which may be true), consider another perspective: German manufacturers have to work with some of the most organized union structures in the world. Workers get 5-6 weeks vacation, good pay, benefits, etc. They are arguably better treated than the GM union workers.
Mercedes, BMW, Audi, and Volkswagen managed to keep a high level of production and profitability for years under such conditions. Certainly, the cars are not cheap, but have been perceived to be high end, quality, products.
Mercedes lost sight of that a while back during the Chrysler takeover, and management now realizes and accepts that they have to put back into the pot what they have taken out.
You can compete by being cheap, and you can compete by providing quality and desirability in a product. God knows what you might be able to do if you could bridge the gap between the two strategies.
For the system to work in America, people have to have jobs, and have to spend and dispose. Otherwise the entire economy is dead. Who will buy the Chinese phones, and outsourced cars if the buying middleclass disappears? It is a necessary evil.
There is NO John Galt.
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Years ago VW combined the 2 (quality & low price) with their VW Beetle. As I recall, it was the world's largest seller for a number of years. Actually, IMO it was more of a perceived quality due to German engineering versus actual quality.
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I believe Jaguar's quality rating and sales went down when they put in a Ford engine. This was likely due more of a perception versus reality - Folks want a JAG, not a Ford.
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You are kidding right? A quick search will reveal that Jags quality ratings and annual sales, under Ford, have far exceed those of anytime in Jags history.
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No, I wasn't kidding. I have not researched em. I heard the comment on CNBC some time back. I did have a rental one recently and liked it.
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That explains a lot. ;)
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When Ford acquired Jag, I recall a Ford VP, maybe it was Red Poling said (I will paraphrase):
Short term, the only way to get Jag profitable would be to give the cars away and charge for the warranty repairs. Since this is not a realizable option, we must get the warranty costs down quickly with a dose of quality.
And to further paraphrase, I recall Lee Iacocca saying in one of his newspaper columns:
If you think American cars are unreliable, go try something from Europe.
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billccm wrote:

It varies. Some European stuff is atrocious. Others have been very good.
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Yes the VW engine in our first two Horizons weren't so good,Chrysler stood behind the valve seal problems. The Chrysler 2.2 & 2.5 L 4s we had later were very good. However the Chrysler 4 spd manual transmission that they brought out with their 4 cyl were a horror story. Their lack of maintenance people who understood a 4 spd transmission added to my problems. I found I couldn't even discuss my problems with the maintenance supervisors, they didn't understand. Fortunately they stood behind it and after many fixes by the one mechanic they had who understood the transmission, they completely replaced the transmission innards two years later. If I wasn't very patient I'd have traded it right away for a "foreign" car.
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So where are all the Mexicans and Asians now arriving, thousands daily, going to get jobs?
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