GM To Remove 'Mark Of Excellence' Logo From Vehicles

I did a quick google, and found that GM and Toyota both had had recalls for window problems, GM had recalled 1.54 MILLION cars for possible fires in the 3800 series engine, etc etc.

No where did was I able to verify the broad claims you are making.

You must remember that recalls are not always done when they needed to be done. GM didnt recall those turd 3800 series II engines, probably because it was not deemed to be a safety issue. Turd issues may be conveniently swept under the carpet.

Toyota could be as bad...I just dont know. We now have two, and have two remaining GM products. With only a couple of years on the first Toyota, there has not been a single glitch. The other one is too new to evaluate.

For which they did a shitty job. They recalled the 3800 series II supercharged engines in the Grand Prix's and Regal's, but not the Bonneville's or LaSabres. My 1996 supercharged Bonneville burnt to the ground last year, due to an engine fire.

Here is the ECM failure causing transmission destruction:

is the brake issue: Toyota recalls 1.4 MILLION vehicles: No offence HLS, but you must've done a very bad google search.

You mean like most Toyota recalls? Tell me, why is it when GM makes a recall, it's front-page news, blasted all over the internet, but when Toyota does it, barley anyone knows, or complains?

And I honestly wish you luck with your two Toyota's.

as for verifying the claims 80 Knight has done that for you. I have posted to this group a few times and like others my posting have been from personal experience or news sources, I only post excerpts from articles as articles are not 100 per cent verfied either. But unlike others i dont post what i think will happen in the future.

Amazing how many think the whole world and the Japanese are out to get them....LOL. Paranoid delusional GM zealots. Some don't even own a GM....

Amazing how many think the whole world and the Japanese are out to get them....LOL. Paranoid delusional GM zealots. Some don't even own a GM....

Amazing how many think the whole world and the Japanese are out to get them....LOL. Paranoid delusional GM zealots. Some don't even own a GM....

Amazing how many think the whole world and the Japanese are out to get them....LOL. Paranoid delusional GM zealots. Some don't even own a GM....

Amazing how many think the whole world and the Japanese are out to get them....LOL. Paranoid delusional GM zealots. Some don't even own a GM....

your send key must be stuck your nostradumbass predictions are not even close, I think you are delucional,some of us have worked for gm and do know the working of the auto industry and what it means to a countrys productivity. Just because some of us support GM and you dont. dosent make us wrong or zealots as you say. I think you are just a troll and dont have anything constructive to post; You are so negative and Paranoid that you keep predicting the future when most of us cant predict what will happen tommrow. Just for your information i now own 2 GM cars, and my family members own 8. how many do you own of any at least 80 percent american content. I am or nerver was a Union member a Union is a neccessary thing in some areas just a few of them got out of control.

Talking to Canuck is like talking to a brick wall...Only, the wall has a higher IQ. He is a paranoid, hypocritical moron, who's wife left him for a Union member (hence his bitterness towards the Union's). He now spends all of his time blaming GM and Union's for his pathetic life.

No offence taken. I freely admit I did not spend all afternoon trying to itemize the recalls of each manufacturer.

It was strange to me that, in one case, a chassis that Toyota and GM share had several hundred thousand recalls by Toyota while GM recalled only about a hundred thousand.

You and I have been over this many many times. In cases like this the mathematical truth can sometimes take a backseat to perception.

GM has its big chance to stay alive. The American people's tax money was used to buy them out of oblivion. Now it is time for them to swim, or sink, on their own. A damn electric Cadillac looks more like dead weight than it looks like flotation gear.

I'd have to assume this is because the chassis is used at two different plants. Perhaps one plant received the defective parts, while the other did not.

And you know I agree with that. What I don't agree with is when people (not you specifically) use either 30 year old facts, or recent "myths" to "prove" that GM (or Ford, Chrysler, or even Toyota) is a bad company. You can't compare that Chevy, Ford, or Toyota you had in 1960 to what is on the market today, and if you do, you are foolish. Heck, you can't even compare a vehicle from the 90's to a vehicle built today. As for the "myths", you know very well I will admit when GM makes a mistake (the 3800 gaskets, and fire issue), but I will also defend them when someone makes up a lie to make them look bad. I will also allow my eyes to see that Toyota has made mistakes. Does Toyota make some very good vehicles? Yes they most certainly do. Do they make some shit vehicles? That they do too, just like all other manufactures, including GM, Ford, and Chrysler.

I certainly wouldn't buy one, but if you haven't noticed, there are some people in this world with more money then brains. Plus, the Caddy's have always had a special place in certain people's hearts, and I doubt that will change.

Or, one marketer recalled at a lower trigger point, and the other set the bar at a different level. I do not know the answer.

You and I both know that GM window motors have been an industry joke for years. But they do not get recalled normally, because these are NOT safety issues usually. Simple early failures do not constitute ground for recall.

I agree. Let's get off that. My personal bile started rising 30 years ago with a series of really defective GM products. Getting past that, they have the technology to get past this sort of henhouse behavior. I hope that their management - and below the bottom line, this IS a management problem - will read the tea leaves and demand a quality program that works, designs that hold up, parts that are of good to excellent quality, and a dedication to the customer that they failed to show in the past.

If they can do this, and it is really a simple job to do, I will cheer for them.

Nope, unreliable Microsoft mail (aka Outlook Express).

We will see. Auto in North America is now a gross consumer of wealth and screwing everyone over by corporate welfare. In time, it will lower all of our standard of living. With governments, banks and corrupt corporations now sucking hard on producers wallets, the economy has only to go further into a depression to make my point. Just over 600,000 jobs lost last month in Canada and the USA....

Bet in October September is going to look very bad, especially for Canada which is now catching up to the USA.

Bottom line is Obama isn't going to get results from debt-corruption spend any more than Iceland. Obama's corporate bailouts and negligent spending out of control will go down as the biggest debt increase over time the world has ever seen.

NA, bankrupt. Quebec is re-issuing a failed bond offering. Ontarion and BC recently did. 3 Canadian cash starved provinces that can't borrow money. LOL. California IOUs....bankrupt.

But Obama and Ottawa say things are good. Just like sheep that can't see the blade.

If GM is so damned good, why did they go bankrupt screwing all sorts of people for about $177 billion total? Much of that was other peoples pension moneys too!

GM is a dog, corrupt POS that needs to be put down.