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On 9/23/2010 3:10 PM, Jim_Higgins wrote:

What is the guaranteed range before the battery must be replaced?
Say the thing is 3 years old, no way will the range be the same with lithium batteries. So the important question is to ask, what is the minimum guaranteed range per kwh on full charge charge in?
I mean these are no good if you have to send in 1000 kwh to go 5 miles.
GM defined this yet?
Wonder if their estimates were measured down hill with a wind behind them on a 25C day.
Lets she how she does in 2" of snow at -5C and 3 year old batteries - LOL.
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Canuck57 wrote:

I think the Toyota warranty on the Prius battery pack is 8 years/100,000 miles. I have not heard anything on what the GM Short Circuit (er, Volt) battery pack warranty is. It does have one-doesn't it?
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don't condemn something that hasn't had a chance yet- nothing wrong with skeptism, but the electric car is an important alternative technology that needs to be developed.
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Our friend "DrJeff" would likely tell you the Volt can help save the planet. ;)
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don't condemn something that hasn't had a chance yet- nothing wrong with skeptism, but the electric car is an important alternative technology that needs to be developed.
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you are trying to suggest carbon monoxide is good ?
besides, an electric car can be dynamically far superior to gas; near instant acceleration, individual wheel torque and power transfer ( slip control), braking, longevity, reliability and ease of modular part replacement; gas is just an advancement over steam power- electric is the way. the gas car has had a hundred years of development- give electic a quater of that development time and you'll laugh at how things used to be
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Electric vehicles are much less expensive to build and CERTIFY. In addition the price of electrics will come down as the economies of scale increase. Currently GM had a total of five electrics coming to market of the nest few years, including a luxury SUV and a pick-up.
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you are trying to suggest carbon monoxide is good ?
besides, an electric car can be dynamically far superior to gas; near instant acceleration, individual wheel torque and power transfer ( slip control), braking, longevity, reliability and ease of modular part replacement; gas is just an advancement over steam power- electric is the way. the gas car has had a hundred years of development- give electic a quater of that development time and you'll laugh at how things used to be
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GMs currently warranties are far better than those of Toyota or Honda. What makes you believe that GMs battery warranty would not be better as well?

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On 9/24/2010 10:51 AM, Mike wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
Anyone who has owned portable electronics for any period of time has experienced deteriorated or dead battery packs. some as little as 2 or three years. Granted, the modern EV's have extensive computer monitoring to try to keep the battery in its sweet spot for life time and output. But you take hundreds of cells and put them in a Christmas tree light like string and eventually, something is gong to fail or weaken.
Maybe Mr Fusion is just around the corner....
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Perhaps, but is a gas engine as "good" after 50,000 miles, as when it was new, or at 100,000 miles?

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On 9/25/2010 12:53 PM, Mike wrote:

Gezz mike, do you think? so an engine that has 100+ HP or so loses a few. Does the car have less range? does it not start? AN EV battery pack that loses capacity directly affects how far that car goes. Or how soon it kicks over to the aux IC (internal combustion) engine/genset. Big difference. You of all people who has bragged in the past how long CV's can last should know from your fleet experience how long normal cars with IC engines can last. You cannot change the oil or lube a battery pack. Its capacity will gradually diminish. Not unlike a standard lead acid battery in a IC car that is usually lucky to go five years or so.
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You missed the point, all forms of propulsion deteriorate over time, electric vehicle are no different. What many are missing in the debate about electric vis a v conventionally powered cars, is the fact once the economies of scale kick in, pure electrics will cost the manufacture much less to build and FAR less to certify, so you can sell them in this country.
In addition the electric power train will have a longer life span for those buyers that tend to keep their new vehicle longer than the current average, of three to four years, that the average new car buyer in the US keeps their new car before buying another new car.

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On 9/27/2010 8:31 AM, Mike wrote:

A electric car still has to meet the same crash testing standards. So i cannot see how that will be less. If its pure EV, you take the emission question out of the mix.

Thats a reach at this point. Electronics age and fail. Motor controllers run hot and can age and fail. The batteries certainly will age and capacity goes down. Without a major advancement in battery chemistry, batteries are still the weak point in the equation.
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The most expensive test to meet is indeed crash testing, but meeting emission requirement is second for the basic chassis. The emission test is a no brainer for the generator engine, because it runs at a constant RPM. Several types of vehicles can be built of the same chassis. GM already as five in the wings for the Volt chasses

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On 9/23/2010 4:58 PM, Jim_Higgins wrote:

Battery guarantees by any manufacturer are going to be complex and as consumers we need to nail them down a bit. Saying 8 years/100k isn't saying much. But I am sure GM will be like that too. Mind you, 8 years/100k isn't a bad start.
GM could say the battery is good as you put 32kwh into it and it only lasts a mile. How good the battery is needs to be defined precisely. At what point do you get a replacement battery? I would want to see all of:
- years and mileage - charge retention (full charge and then let sit for 10 days) - kwh in for a drained to full charge - how far on a full charge (will decline with age)
No explicit details on above that I have seen yet.
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Canuck57 wrote:

Then there is at up to what point is there a full exchange, no pro rating?
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On 9/25/2010 9:31 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:

Good point.
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Toyota TODAY does not warrant any of it cars and trucks for eight years or 100,000 miles

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That can be said about the current hybrids as well, and they do not have batteries that are as sophisticated as those in the Volt.

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The driver will think he is driving much faster than he actually is and therefore drive slower. The distance will look much farther. The driver will seem to use half as much gas and therefore the car looks to be more efficient.
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