To each their own, but I like my Lumina's. And the 3.8 motor isn't
bulletproof either, it too had upper intake manifold (and lower
gasket) issues just like the 3100 did.
Follow your own advice and do a google search, check the bonnie
Nevermind, I'll do it for you:
Yes, I am quite aware of the problems with the 3.8.
However, it has never been as bad as the 60 series.
IMO, all engines with wet manifolds will eventually leak.
Some sooner than others.
The only real problem the 3.8 had was the EGR pipe.
Keep the Fairmont. Especially stay away from anything with a
2.8/3.1/3.4 engine, 3.8 ONLY for GM cars. But I think you will find
that the Lumina is not as refined nor does it handle as well as a
Fairmont, almost inevitably as the Fairmont is a RWD platform.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
My Grandparents bought a 1997 Lumina back in '98, and they love it. I even
borrow it every now and then. My cousin also had a 1999 (or so) for a few
years. It rides better then my Bonnie SSEi, get's awesome gas mileage,
though the 3100 isn't very peppy. But, the interior is huge, as is the
trunk, and it handles pretty good for a family sedan. If I were you, I
would definitely add Lumina to the list. Other GM cars I have owned and
liked are the Grand Prix's. They are more sporty, can be had with the 3800
(though, so can the Lumina), and if you get one totally equipped, they are
luxury. Same with the Bonneville's. I have owned 4 Bonnie's, and loved
everyone of them.
It is shocking with all the new cars
on the road to read these posts.
Hard to believe that there are few
good North American cars.
The Fairmont has been and outstanding
vehicle.It is 26 years old. The body
needs yearly repairs.
Cars are much more expensive then what
I paid for my Fairmont 24 years ago ( $5,500 )
and they can't make a comparable engine with
all the brains and computers we are made to
believe designers are supposing to have today.
I'm beginning to understand why there are so many
import cars on the roads.
The reason it's so hard to believe is because it isn't true.
The majority of posters in this NG come here to denigrate GM and promote
imports. That's not to say that everything they say is untrue, but that you
aren't likely to get a true picture of the reliability or desirability of
North American models, from this group.
Better to buy what YOU like, rather than be swayed by people with an agenda.
A smart shopper will drive all those that suits his needs, get a total drive
home price for each that he likes, then buy the one that suits his budget.
Forget the brand and what others think of the ONE they bought.
Same body (W-Body) but obviously redesigned and new/different engines,
the Lumina never had the Impala's generation 3.4 motor (yes, the
Lumina had a 3.4 motor, just not in 2000+) the Impala has a wider
wheelbase, is taller, and wider. Of course if I were to go for an
Impala, I'd be looking at the LS trim package at a minimum.
AS the owner of a 2000 Impala LS, I fully recommend them. They do have
known manifold problems, but mine received a recall to help fix the problem.
The car has 73000 miles and was a demo with 4000 miles when I bought it and
I'm keeping it if I buy another car. I also have a 92 Lumina bought new,
and it has been very reliable. Its major problem was a failed oil pump
which cost me an engine at 102000, but I still use it as a second car.
Our friend has that Lumina, which I drive when she takes us to the
airport. It runs OK, but what an old feeling car compared to my '95
Chrysler LH car. She has had many minor problems though, just a steady
stream of them.
When I looked at the car years ago I felt the slanted instruments were
silly. Now that I drive one occasionally I've learned to hate those
We have a '95 lumina at work which we use for taking clients to out of town
medical appointments. This car is just shy of 200K miles on it, drives,
rides and handles far better than our 2000 Taurus with less than 1/2 the
miles.... drivers get into arguments when it's time for 2 to go at the same
time, over who gets the Chevy......
GM cars run badly longer than most any others will run at all =)
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