Post something to this board on how to fix something on a GM car
and you are lucky to get a response, but post an article on why GM
is failing and you get an endless number of replys. Everyone just wants
to BS and no one figure out what makes these cars tick, if the opposite
was true these cars would sell like crazy.
This doesn't seem abnormal to me. I would guess that only a small
percentage of the people that browse or post in this newsgroup has
enough mechanical knowledge to answer anything more then the
most basic questions. I've been working on vehicles for years, and
there are lot's of questions on here that I don't bother with as I will
probably have nothing that's "actually" useful to contribute.
As far as I can tell, this isn't technically a "gm tech" group.
There are two issues with how to fix a GM car. First, there are the
which most reasonably good mechanics can deal with regardless of the brand
the car. Then the secondary issues crop up...no mechanic can do anything
some of the designed-in failure modes that are particular to GM. The gasket
the plastic manifold issues, the cracking block issues, etc are corporate
require action from corporate and down.
In the latter case, GM just seems to be in particular focus right now.
I don't think there is too much mystery about what makes these cars tick.
It is when
they crack and crumble that the ire sets in.
This is not a group limited to professional mechanics, nor is it a technical
Note the group is called alt.autos.gm and that is not very limiting.
Yes, we talk, we BS, we reminisce, and quite often there are good solutions
problems as well.
Some here are beginners, some practicing professional mechanics, some rather
You are invited to contribute, or not, as you wish.
Just an FYI to confirm my posting.
I have placed 2 posting here in the past couple months for a '94 Saturn,
one on how to replace a window motor and one on what might be
causing a fast idle problem, I did not get any replies to either posting and
neither would require a PHD in mechanics to give an opinion, but look
at the replies this posting got.....lots of BS answers.
ZoomZoom....and nope I don't drive a Mazada.
Sorry about that...
I had actually checked backwards on this news server, and could not find
questions, but the posts are not necessarily held a long time. I am sure I
onto Google and find them.
Have you now resolved the problems?
don't search on zoomzoom, it was posted under a different name, just search
on '94 saturn'. As far as how I resolved my problems:
1. Problem: Both front door window motors do not working.
Resolution: I use the back windows.
2. Problem: Fast idle:
Resolution: it's still fast, not a major problem, it just uses a little
more gas, but that's stuff is cheap.
This car is not worth paying someone to fix it, it's junk, 80K and not
to make 100K. The only good points: It does run and it was cheap.
Ok - I did that search and like HLS, I find no record of any such posts in
alt.autos.gm. Not to say they aren't there, but in a quick google search of
"94 Saturn", nothing matching your description showed up.
So - you expect us to know that you use multiple screen names and to be able
to sort through the myriad of posts that hit usenet in a day, to find posts
that you may have submitted and which went unanswered. (Not that this is a
customer service department and the role and obligation of everyone here is
to answer every question or comment that hits the forum).
There are lots of folks here who are willing to offer any advice that they
have to a matter and the evidence of that is clear if you look past some of
the non-technical discussions and examine the help needed types of things.
Seldom do questions go unanswered. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that
two posts from you, seeking technical help, went totally ignored. This is a
general GM group and the non-technical threads are just as valid here as the
Some folks here are very forthright in their offerings and don't care about
tirades and rants. Some look at your most recent thread and to them it has
the appearance of nothing but a crank. Your reply above almost seems to
confirm that. You indicate that the car is not even worth putting anything
into, yet we are supposed to be showering you with help.
Ok - I'll help. Replace the motors in the doors for the power windows.
Should be available either from the junk yard or from the dealer - the
former being the cheaper alternative. Saturns are actually fairly nice to
work on in that the outer door skins come off giving access from both the
outside and the inside.
Hope this helps.
the outer skin helps out greatly, I had removed the inner door panel only
find nothing but metal and no access to the motor.
Here's a posting I placed on 7/17, and no replies:
I've got a 1994 Saturn SL2 Twin Cam and it has started idling
fast when I slow down at stop lights/signs, it races up to around 2500 rpms
and after about 10 seconds it finally realizes that I'm stopped and the the
idle speed falls to 1000 rpms or less like it should be. Anyone know
what might be causing this?
I had a 1998 Saturn SL1 (single cam engine) and it was doing that. Turned
out to be the throttle positioning sensor (if memory serves -- been 4 years
ago). It was only like $100 to fix at the Saturn dealership with
labor/parts. I took it to the dealership so they could hook it to their
computer, to save me the time/money of swapping out parts to find the
problem. That Saturn was probably the best car I've ever owned -- smooth,
fun to drive, personality. I bought it with 30K miles. Your problem could
be a vacuum leak or an electric problem or computer problem or the throttle
position sensor. What makes you think it won't last long? Was it abused
and not maintained well by previous owners? Saturns are great cars. They
really became great in 1996 when they got a major restyle and looked good
Do you have a PHD in mechanics? I didn't think so.....therefore
you ought to be able to "give an opinion" on your own problem,
or perhaps even fix it! Go for it!
FFS, man.....nobody is here because of the money!
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