How GM can survive

Everyone is different. I don't think I'd last a day, let alone a lifetime career. Money is an incentive, but I'd be crazy long before the first paycheck. I'm glad others can do it.

Overall, we get a well built car that works very well.

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Edwin Pawlowski
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Jane wrote:>>In any event, I was addressing a specific comment, not intending to debate who has the hardest job.>>>>>>>>>

ok i understand your stating your point and not looking for an argument , ok ....but then Jane writes>>> Are you jealous or something?>>>>>>>

well now... lets see what else you had to say ,,,>>>Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the job>>>>>>>

no, not maybe..i'm sure i do more than you on any given day....even when your not working in pain.. and how much did it cost you to go to work today? this week? all of last year?...lunches and gas money at best...i have over a year's wages tied up in a big red tool box, and i NEED them every day....who pays for your tools?...who pays for you medical expenses, thats right you have benefits.and don't forget lots of $$$$$$$ i don't know.. it seems that all you were doing is bragging about the money you make at your mindless job...i would have ignored it if it wasn't for>>>>Are you jealous or something?

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redeye-racing

Don't drink too much coffee -

That explains it.

I started this food fight. Of course management is way overpaid. Wagoner should get only 3x what a senior worker should get. Bob Lutz deserves every penny. He may very well save the company. Say Solstice, image, interest, rebirth.

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Charles

Debatable. ....even

I never bragged about the money. I did say that I have a degree, but chose my job for the $$, benefits, etc...of course! No one aspires to chase the line for the love of the work!

...i would have ignored it if it

Designed not by the lowly line worker, but by even more highly paid engineers.

Checking up on me? I must have touched a nerve!

Jane

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Jane

And how can you be sure of this?

You can always go work for a major company.

The line workers don't design the cars.

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80 Knight

Jane>>>> I must have touched a nerve! kinda!

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redeye-racing

Fair enough. You also have a most unique (some would say irritating in that they are hard to follow) way of formatting your posts...

Nope! I have no agenda beyond hoping to get my last seven years in and retire...The only way that will happen is if people continue to buy the cars.

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Jane

I know this is kind of a bitch, but this has got to be the absolute worst example of quoted text I've ever seen on the net. Talk about hard to read/follow...

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Mike Marlow

People are much more adaptive than machines. Robots are great for some assembly jobs, lousy for others.

Poor designs are not the fault of the line workers. They just put them together the way they're told with what they're told to use.

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David star wrote-You got that right! Working on cars used to be fun. Now it's a major pain the the butt. Back in the day, you could raise the hood & see the engine. Now.....

it's only going to get worst. if ever there was a time when I'd like to magically switch rolls with someone... every auto designer and brilliant engineer should be sentenced to repair the products they build before they hit the market..

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redeye-racing

In what? Liberal arts or some other useless crap.

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Charles U' Farley

You can't blame someone for trying to get in on a great scam like the UAW has with the Big 3. Like the guy in Wall Street (the movie) said, "greed is good" and it's just as true for a UAW guy on a production line as it is for an executive in his suite. Trouble is, that "good" might be a short term (or at least not forever) thing that has the seeds for its own destruction built into it.

On the positive, side, it did take a long time for reality to rear its ugly head and those UAW guys sure did have a great ride while it lasted.

They don't have any business whining about how it's all so unfair, though. If a scam ends, that's nothing more than nature swinging the pendulum back because it has swung to far in one direction. A lot of people never had such a scam working for them and are not real likely to have much sympathy for those that did and lost it.

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Charles U' Farley

Lutz has done precisely NOTHING so far. The Solstice is another example of GM goofiness: a good idea that makes it 90% of the way to production...and then the adults bail out and let a bunch of 12 year olds finish the design.

Compare the Miata to the Solstice. The Miata is an excellent small sports car that is actually useable. The Solstice is over-weight over-styled and with the worst excuse for a trunk that has ever claimed to be a trunk. The put a giant tumor in the middle of it! Forget about a bag or two of gold clubs.

And look at what Lutz did with the Australian GTO.

I had high hopes for the guy, but so far his tenure at GM is on par with the time he (former Marine aviator) landed that ex-Czech jet trainer he has...with the gear up.

I hate to say it, but GM needs the Renault guy who revived Nissan. Lutz and Wagoner cannot hack it.

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Charles U' Farley

To be a little fair, these guys are stuck with the UAW contracts that they inherited along with the tradition of rolling over and playing dead every time contract time came up. If you are going to criticize GM management for not playing hard-ball with the UAW over ridiculous salary/benefit demands and putting up with poor work practices for way too long, you will get no argument here. Granted it was a long time ago, but go read the book called RivitHead by Ben Hamper who worked for GM (UAW) in Flint in the early 80's if you want to learn a bit more about the seeds of the GM situation today.

Not one good word can be said about Smith, on the other hand. Total ass-hole. Total.

That GM's system allowed someone like him to be put in charge is an obscenity.

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Charles U' Farley

Does it make any difference what the degree is in. The OP didn't differentiate what skills or education. He made a blanket statement which is not true. Yes, there are some UAW workers that that are not that skilled or educated, but then again, that is true of many areas. One of the most educated and inept people I have worked for had an MBA. I have also known Phd's that would not survive if they had to get a real job. Different skills are needed for different types of work. Don't denigrate some one because of the work they do unless you have experience with the work.

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why, me

I've thought that for a long time. many years ago, I had a 78 Captice estate wagon. The bulb for the temp. gage burned out & I decided to replace it. Felt around behind the IP & couldn't find any lamp sockets, so I pulled out the shop manual. "Remove layers of IP from the front until you get to the bulbs" !!! The bulb never did get replaced.

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David Starr

I once had a coworker, also an electrician. If you gave him a pad of paper & a pencil, he could draw out a schematic of a color TV, or other electronic device, with all the component numbers. Chip numbers, capacitor values, etc. He once drew the schematic for as device to turn a car radio into a police scanner. It worked fine! BUT, on a job, he couldn't connect 2 wires together properly. Education is not just in books.

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David Starr

That may be your opinion but wanna bet the Solstice, and the Saturn Sky, will out sell ALL of the other small two seaters on the market in its first year? ;)

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

Unfortunately, both Labor and Management have been "plucking the Golden Goose" too vigorously..... too long.

They're both unwilling to stop .

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Anonymous

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