Well, when I bought my Impala, it was before the employee pricing and
all of the big incentives. The point of my post was that a used Impala
seems to be a good value, and I have had good service so far out of
Not to change the subject, but a few years ago a financial anaylist on
a nationwide talk radio show had a therory that the lowest cost of car
ownership per mile was to buy a one year old Intrepid, or Taurus, keep
it three years, and trade for another Intrepid, or Taurus. His theroy
was that these cars depreciated deeply the first year, had two years of
warranty remaining, and required little in cost for the third year of
ownership. You were always in a car that was less than four years old,
and had lower costs out of pocket. In comparison (again, his therory)
to a Camry, or Accord, you could not recoup the high purchase costs,
even with higher resale value. His recommendation for Accords and
Camrys was to own for 100K miles plus to meet the same cost per mile of
a used Intrepid, or Taurus every three years.
In may area, Camrys with over 100K miles still bring 8, or 9 thousand
dollars in good shape. I would rather have a new Taurus every three
Good Thread here. Take care,
Mike Hunter wrote:
Used Impalas can be a good value because the first year depreciation is
huge on them, thanks mostly to the vast number which do short term
rental fleet duty.
If you have the 3.4l, watch out for intake manifold gasket leaks. It is
not a question of if, but rather of when it will happen.
Get an oil analysis of your used oil at least once per year to catch it
before major engine damage happens. Well worth the $20 to do.
www.blackstone-labs.com is one of many reputable companies which can do
this for you.
Better than the 3.4 for sure, but "Honda like" .... I doubt that :).
There have also been issues with the plastic manifold equipped 3.8l
developing leaks and/or melting near the EGR valve. Keep an eye on it.
Gosh Mike, you always tell people to do their own research, why don't
you figure it out ?
None of the car makers seems to release model by model fleet vs. retail
sales results. However, have a look at this, which is only one of many
references to the issue you can find.
Fleets mask Big 3 woes
Growing reliance on low-margin sales drains profits
Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News
"According to Murphy, Detroit's fleet sales reached new highs in the
last three months of 2005, accounting for 29.5 percent of overall
It is of course impossible to tell what the model mix is in those
numbers or what the mix of daily rental fleet vs. other fleet user sales
If you travel frequently you will see that the Impala may yet dethrone
the Taurus as the current king of the full size car rental fleet at the
airports. Lots of Pontiacs out there in rental land as well.
After many years is the fleet sales and service business I can give you some
facts. Most fleet sales, by around 80%, are to corporate and government
fleets, not rental companies, that keep them is service for five years or
30K WOF. Second nearly every manufacture foreign and domestic sells, or
tries to sell, to fleets. Domestic are just much more successful doing so.
The 'hugh' fleet discount, that they ALL offer to get multiple orders of
like vehicles, is around $600 if one buy five or more. Fleet sales are made
by the individual dealers, not manufactures they can not sell vehicles
directly to customers. Building a large number of like vehicles on the
assembly line at the same time is less expensive, allowing for the discount.
Most importantly NO manufacture, foreign or domestic cares who buys their
vehicles. When it come to fleet sales the Koreans sell a higher percentage
to fleets than ANY of the domestic manufactures.
The Taurus, the second best selling individual model in the US, goes away at
the end of the 2006 production run. If you want one, go see the Fleet Sales
Manager at you local Ford dealer. Since all the cars are basically the same
except for minor option and colors, Ford was able to greatly reduce the
build cost. It is a hell of a buy, fully equipped state of the art V6
vehicle under 20K, but you will not get the $600 fleet discount. ;)
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