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I live in the Detroit area and have watched Detroit die for the past
five years. Sure the *Downtown* area has seen great improvements, but
the rest of Detroit is a waste land that should be nuked. Why is this?
Unions. Plain and simple. The UAW is effectively killing the American
automotive industry. Union's were fine 50 years ago when they were
needed to prevent safety concerns and sweat shop environments. Now
unions do nothing but drive up the costs of products. Union employees
have higher absenteeism, lower output, and are extremely overpaid. Why
the heck should a janitor make $70,000 a year? The big 3 has to cut
costs and get shabby materials for their cars because they have to pay
the workers so much. This leads to poor quality vehicles which in turn
leads to people opting for foreign options the next time they buy. The
bumper sticker that says "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign"
should read "Out of a job yet? Keep paying union dues"
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:04:49 +0000, SteveZ.Zissou wrote:
Your viewpoint is one that surfaces whenever an industry faces hard times.
But to really understand the problem with the auto industry you have to
just look as far as the manufactuers themselfs.
None of the Big Three auto makers are very good at change. When the gas
prices started to spike a few years back they were selling trucks and
SUVs. They never spent any time upgrading alot of the smaller car lines
except for asthetics (looks). When the gas crunched again it killed the
suv market. Now I cant go down a street without finding Ford Explorers, GM
Trucks and Dodge Rams for sale everywhere.
Incredibly poor decisions by GM. An example would be killing off the Park
Avenue line. Have also killed sales.
Poor Waranties and Poor workmanship/engineering have also had a part in
it. For an example, The 3.1 liter engine gm used in alot of vehicals had
poor intake manifold gaskets. They know it but will not replace them. So,
Now you have buyers not trusting them. Its really no wonder how companies
like Toyota can jump in and get a good foot hold in the states. Dodge has
poor transmission problems.
No, Unions are not really the problem. They are the wipping boy for an
industry that is in a downturn.
on Tuesday 09 October 2007 10:04 pm, someone posing as
firstname.lastname@example.org took a rock and etched into the cave:
That's about as short-sighted as the auto-industry managers looking at next
quarter for the forecast.
Sure the Auto Unions have high wages. If they weren't skilled workers, they
wouldn't get paid those wages. I'm a manager and have full respect for the
Don't blame the unions. Blame the shareholders and management.
Yes they are highly skilled. I saw a TV program recently where union
workers worked 2 to 5 hours of their shift in a bar near their main work
area. Not many workers are smart enough to carry their work to a bar and
have a few while keeping their work up.
You are definitely a Genius yourself. No doubt you would do well with out
the Union. LOL
Don't know what kind of job you have but, You can thank the unions of the
united states for having a 5 day work week and some health benefits. Without
the suffering and struggle they underwent and still do.We would all work
just like the chinese. Its not easy to tell your boss that the work force
will not be in until terms are met. Why not try it and see. : (
I'm a native Detroiter (Born in Harper Hospital over on the east
side, graduated from Redford High Class of 1967) and it wounds my soul
when I think about what has happened to that city. I think you are
correct in your assessment that most of Detroit should be nuked.
Believe me I can remember when it was a beautiful city, even the area
where the '67 Riot took place. I saw the handwriting on the wall after
the first year of Coleman Young's administration and left Detroit in
1973, though I have been back (and I cry every time I'm there and see
what has happened).
Yes, the unions are part of it, but there are a number of factors
that put Detroit where it is. Start with liberal political leadership
(example: Coleman Young and the Kwame Kilpatrick) that where so myopic
that they never saw the need to diversfy the economy (common problem -
witness Toledo, Cleveland etc.), spending $$$ on social programs (to
"buy" votes) instead of keeping the infrastructure maintained.
Building Ford Field, the Ren Cen (funny that the Ren Cen was built
by Ford but is now GM HQ) and all the flashy stuff downtown, including
the casinos, did NOTHING to fix the rot and downhill slide of the
outer areas. Good lord why does Grand River look like the road in from
Bagdad Airport? Why are all the stores (except for the liquor stores)
along 7 Mile around Evergreen (my old home area) gone? That area used
to be a thriving commercial area. In the 40 years since the Riot
Detroit has lost over 50% of its population (and not all of that loss
is white folks either, though at this point Detriot has the highest
percentage concentration of blacks of any city over 500K population).
OK, I'll get off my soapbox because you all get the idea where I'm
headed. Yes, the UAW has to share part of the blame, but I'll bet that
if you brought Walter Reuther back from the dead the first thing that
would shock him is not the state of the auto industry but the overall
state of the City of Detroit.
What will fix this problem? I wish I knew - I think it has to start
with the people of the city saying "I don't want to live in this
shithole any more", then electing city leaders that will do something
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