In Australia one indication of which cars are reliable and have long
endurance, is indicated by the Taxi companies. They used to buy lots of
Chryslers with the Australian Hemi 6 cyl, then when they were bought out by
Mitsubishi, they used Fords,..now with the larger Camrys, they are using
them. Taxi owners aren't fools :-)
Using that theory in the US, Fords must be by far the best cars since a
large percentage of US taxi's are Ford Crown Victorias, and another large
percentage are Mercury Grand Marquis, and a bunch are Lincoln Town Cars.
Actually Crown Vistorias must be nearly indestructible. The local cab
companies (Raleigh NC) buy lots of used Highway Patrol Cars which have
around 75,000 to 100,000 miles, repaint them, and drive them for many many
LOL - I think you can say that about a majority of drivers in the area. It
is a dangerous mix - Hispanic immigrans, Northrern transplants, and old
residents who think the roads past the beltline are dirt paths....
BTW - Did you see the N&O article on speeding? A four part series no less.
I'm talking about smaller fleets of 20 to 30 cars where each cab/taxi is
owned by an individual who drives it along with employed drivers,.not a
single company operating a fleet driven by drivers.
Around 80% of the taxis in service in the US are Crown Vics. Slightly less
than the percentage for police patrol cars. According to the US Commerce
Many are run to 500K or more
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Not sure why you think that would be any different. Where I am located
(Raleigh, NC) there are no "big" taxi cab fleets. Almost all the
operators have 1 to 10 cabs and the vast majority are Crown Victorias.
Lately some of the cab companies are using older mini-vans (I've even
seen a Sienna cab) and there are a few Hispanic operators that drive
smaller cars (I mean smaller!). When we were in Victoria, BC a couple
of years back I saw lots of Toyota Prius's as cabs. When we were in
Mexico last year I was wedged into the back of some tiny Chevy being
used as a cab (and I mean wedgeed - knees against the front seat, head
bowed against the roof). I don't think any of this proves that the cab
companies are as smart as you think. I doubt that the operators in BC
have enough experience with the Prius to know that over the long haul
they are the most cost effective. I suspect the cab operators in my
area use CVs becasue used ones are cheap, plentiful, and last forever.
I am guessing in Mexico, initial cost is very important.
How many more miles? Before retirement,..at least 500,000miles here, some
depending on body condition a couple of hundred thousand more. Here many
taxi trips are between towns which are minimum 80 to 200 mile 'round trips.
Increasing amount of Toyota Camry V6s are doing the job these days. The mix
presently is about 60/40 Ford/Toyota.
There is always the odd owner who will put a Benz or some other exotic on
the road to probably write some tax off with,..but ultimately they want
"reliability" first and last, as time off the road = money lost.
I'm constantly amazed on how many times you miss the point. He wasnt
saying that he's suprised on how flawlessly his Toyota ran. He's
doing a comparison on his experiences with both vehicles. Although
there are opposite cases where people have better experiences in their
Fords than their Toyota, they are the exception, not the rule. This
is fact, not opinion. The percentage of Toyota owners who find less
trouble with their vehicles than Ford is much greater than the vice
versa. You continue to deny the facts. It seems that you're the one
that's mesmerized with preaching powers like Jimmy Swaggart's.
That's fine though. The rich executives of Ford and GM need your
money for their new yachts while they continue to blame the assembly
line workers for having too much benefits. I know. My father-in-law
is a retired GM executive. Keep buying Fords. Bill Ford Jr's
helicopter is over 250 hrs old. He could use a new one.
He was comparing experiences with a 9 year old Chevy to a new Toyota -
hardly apples to apples.
Facts require support - where is yours? Calling your opinion a fact,
doesn't make it a fact.
Exactly what do you base this opinion on? BTW, the OP was comapring
Chevy's to Toyota's. I am the one with Fords. Comapring a 1988 Chevy
to a 2007 Toyota means nothing. Both Chevy and Toyota are building
better cars now than 10 years ago. It bugs me when Toyota owners who
haven't had a domestic car in a decade, if ever, rave about how much
better their new Toyota is than the Chevy their crazyu uncle Bob owned
back in the fifties. When I point out that JD Power surveys shows that
there is essentially no statistical difference in quality between a
2007 Toyota and a 2007 Chevy or Ford, they claim the JD Powers survey
The problems I had with GM cars, Saturn, Chevy, were broken seat adjusters,
bad brakes (3 times under warranty) , bad alternator, bad fuel injection
system, and always sqeaks and rattles and poor fitting interior parts (noe
that the dealer could fix) .
My Toyotas have had issues, minor rattle (dealer fixed), loose seat track
(dealer fixed) , but no powertrain/brake/major electrical system failures.
After warranty the cost soars on the major repairs.
I agree 100%. After the warranty expired on the POS Toyota I owned,
the repair costs were outrageous. It only takes the Toyota dealer
tryig to stick you up for $500 starters and $400 alternator to
convince you to never buy another Toyota. I spent more on out of
warranty repiars for one Toyota than I spent on all the other cars
I've owned in 38 years combined. Toyota parts are ridiculosly over
priced. The biggest out of warranty cost on any of my Fords was a bad
coil pack on an Expedition with 100,000 miles.
Gee, that must be why Toyota and Honda are doing so well in market share
while the Detroit Little Three (formerly the Big Three) are tanking
their market share. Guess the American Consumer (the *final* arbiter of
automotive success here) has decided against the Little Three.
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