Ford, GM, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota as well as others all were victims of
the government ban. The sad part is the manufactures and their customers
where the ones to pay the cost in money and bad will. Just read some of the
posts and you will see how some are still putting on the blame on the
automotive industry rather than the government.
Ah Mike, you never give that one up. Asbestos was outlawed a long, long
time ago. GM has been having this same problem for over 15 years now
and seems to be the ONLY company still having chronic intake manifold
gasket failures on vehicles built in the 2000s.
Facts do not change but you are entitled to your own opinion. New vehicles
are covered for at least 3/36, so there should be no problem having a gasket
repaired, if indeed one is defective as you seem to believe.
Edwin-how many miles on your 01 LeSabre? The 2000-2002 4T65E have problems
with the pressure control solenoid.
Apparently, GM started using Bosch pressure control solenoids in 2003 and
the problematic ones were made by Delphi.
Unfortunately, they are not interchangeable with the older transmission.
I too am disappointed with GM since they were known to be one of the best
automatic transmission manufacturers.
My Impala has transmission problems with only 30K miles and that's with
changing the transmission fluid and filter at 23K miles.
This is the kind of thing that will really sour a car buyer. My local GM
dealer treats me well. I keep 5 GM products running in my household, plus
do some work for friends frequently. I buy a fair amount of genuine GM
parts over their counter every year. I've never paid for a single
diagnostic effort there. Granted - I've never had them do much more than
run a scan for me - never brought a vehicle in that needed to go on a lift
to be looked over. But... I do buy the parts from them almost *every* time
the scan points to a part failure. I've been doing business there for
twenty years now and I get shop floor pricing on my parts, so it's really
quite competitive with the aftermarket most times. The point is that one
hand washes the other and they're good enough to recognize that. A simple
scan on their part results in parts sales to me. A good deal for me and
profit for them, even at floor prices. They know they'll never see one of
my cars in there, up on a lift. It doesn't matter. The profit on parts
adds up to probably more than the profit on a new car sale and it's
recurring revenue to them. Plus - I have purchased cars from them, both new
and used. Maybe it's a smaller town mentality or something, but they get
it. Every time I see someone post about having to pay a diagnostic fee for
something like this - and we're not talking about a tech spending 1/2 day
troubleshooting a car, it points out how valuable this is to me. And to the
dealer. They'll see me back time and time again. Edwin's dealer is likely
not to ever see him back.
Hey Edwin - have you tried to get your dealer to appeal to GM for goodwill
repairs? I'm really not sure how this works in detail, but I know GM does
have a goodwill program. I'd consider putting your history down and taking
it to the dealer or to the zone rep. Can't hurt to try.
I'm not afraid to make my feelings known. When I get more serious in a
couple of months, I'll talk to the dealer as they have sold me three other
cars. I want them to be aware of why or why not I'm going elsewhere.
When they charged me the diagnostics, there was a 2% charge for waste
disposal. What waste from plugging in a computer? I had some fun with that
and they gave me a free oil change.
Had it not been for the transmission, I would be ordering a car in April.
Now it is set back a few months. One dealer has already been eliminated.
They had two chances to work with me and blew it. I was driving by the
showroom and saw a new Lucerne. Salesman showed me the car and took my name
so he could send me more information. Never did. I went on line from the
Buick web site to see what was available and they had a car of interest (had
one option I did not want, but that is negotiable) and I requested a quote.
Never heard from them. Once I buy whatever I end up with, I'm mail the
owner of the dealership of photo of myself standing next to the car and the
reason it was not from them. Same with Plaza if I go elsewhere.
I've never considered buying "foreign" cars but the times are a changing. I
have four Toyota forklift trucks at work. Very nice machines and have proven
In the running:
Lucerne CXL (was a shoe in two months ago) The V-8 is not worth the extra
Avalon Limited (slight stretch on the $)
Camry XLE (2007 is sharp looking)
It is your money spend it where you wish but if you think Toyotas do not
break down on occasion as well, you are in for a rude awakening. When
Toyotas break down they cost a lot more to repair. Toyota parts can cost
three times as much as GM parts.
Of course I realize any machine will wear and break. so there will be no
rude awakening What is important to know is the frequency and life
You do post an interesting point about parts cost. Do you have any specific
data? What is the cost of some of the common items such as water pump,
alternator, exhaust system?
One of the things that ticked me off first is the heated seat. The heating
element is broken. It should cost about $10, in reality would cost maybe
$50 and some labor to install it. That sounds reasonable. What is
unreasonable is the fact it cannot be replace. The entire seat bottom must
be replaced for $575. Does that make sense to you? Maybe others are the
same or even worse. If so, I'm interested in hearing about it. My beef is
the way GM handled it because it was over 36k miles, but still well under
the 36 months. If it was a moving part the run time would be a factor, but
As for the window that broke after about five uses, I'd not be upset if it
was stuck in the up position. I never open the rear windows. It just
floated down with nothing to support it. I removed the mechanism and have
the glass propped in place with a couple of pieces of wood. Inelegant, but
My five year old car has more problems than my 15 year old car of the same
make. I don't know if this one will make six years at the rate of
I sympathize with you. The defroster tab fell of the rear window of my 2000
Yukon XL. It could not be repaired. The rear window had to be replaced. GM
wanted $850, virtually all for the part. To their credit, GM offered to pay
half the cost (I was out of warranty in time, but far under 50,000 miles). I
went with an aftermarket part which came with a lifetime warranty for $400
and GM would not contribute to that.
The tab should never have failed...and it was awfully expensive to fix.
Lexus and Toyota are not the same prices buddy. How much for a Caddy
or Lincoln repair. Hehe. I know a guy who had a Lincoln town car and
the parts costs were insane. Not fair to compare high end luxury line
foreign to standard line domestic. Apples and oranges.
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:41:57 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
Mike the dipshit, do you claim that there are no different parts at
different prices between Lexus and Toyota, Lincoln and Ford etc? You
must take stupid (or rather intellectual dishonesty) pills each and
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:27:49 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
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