Don't look now, but the Accord is EPA classified as a "large" car, and
with the V6 (three liters and 270 horsepower!) it can be a pretty
quick one too.
Getting back to the Ten Best list, though: I know (as if there were
ever much doubt) that if I throw enough money at the problem I can get
a truly fine automobile. One of the things the magazines can do is go
through the lesser ranks of cars, kissing all the frogs so they can
tell you which one is the prince. That used to be a goal of the ten
best list (and still is of their occasional category comparos).
Conversely, putting an M3, Corvette, etc. on the same list with a Fit
or even an Accord makes you wonder about the purpose of the list.
Best in each of several classes, maybe? They certainly don't compete
with each other even vaguely...
Um, a Maxima *is* a midsize car. It's practically cavernous inside. Do
you call a Peterbilt a "light truck?" A Fit is a subcompact. A Maxima
is most certainly not.
I'd hate to hear your opinion of a Lotus Elise, but whatever it is it
won't make me lust after one any less.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
They do, at least for some values of "way". (And sometimes
Most models tend to expand over the years, sometimes for the better.
New models and sometimes whole new brands are then introduced to take
their place at the bottom.
The Accord that were were talking about it, in its eighth generation,
some thirty inches longer ("and everything in proportion") than the
first one. The size classes assigned by the EPA are defined in terms
of passenger and cargo volume (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg /
info.shtml#sizeclasses). Admittedly it is toward the bottom of what's
considered a large car by the EPA, but it is in that category. (The
slightly smaller coupe is still considered midsize.)
The current and immediately past Maximas are slightly but noticeably
bigger than your fourth-generation 1998 was -- two or three inches in
every dimension as well as rather less of a "three box" shape -- and
I think they're considered midsize cars butting their heads against
the "large" threshold.
Design makes a big difference too, in both the perception and the
usability of the space, and usually though not always this improves
over the years.
I personally think the "large" category is too broad and
undifferentiated, but the cars in it are hardly what I'd consider
The generations of the two lines leapfrog each other by a couple of
years, and there was a period in the early 2000s when the Altima was
very subtly bigger.
The '09 Maxima is a tiny bit smaller than the outgoing generation of
Maxima in height and length but is a bit taller. It's a little wider
than the present Altima but shares the same "platform." They rated it
at some 20 more horsepower too, with the best engine option. I think
that instead of "swapping places" with the Altima they were trying to
position it as a higher product -- I'm tempted to dust off the
obsolete term "personal luxury car" for the new Maxima, despite its
four door configuration.
Supposedly the Maxima has a better chassis and suspension and brakes,
as well as more amenities and gadgets, compared to even a high option
Altima. It's also noticeably more expensive (well, sure).
Of course set its design and construction in motion before the
economy went off in the weeds. Reading between the lines on the Web,
it looks like a lot of people are weighing its merits against the 3.5-
liter Altima (a couple hundred pounds and several thousand dollars
lighter, and still with the possibility of a manual tranny) as well as
against other makes. Dunno if that's quite what Nissan had in mind;
but then, the present state of the economy is not really what anybody
had in mind...
Ad absurdum per aspera turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
Interesting analysis. I hadn't thought of things in that way. As for the
Maxima, I like that it is getting taller. If I were into buying a car for
me (as opposed to my wife) I'd look at either the HHR, the Honda Passport
or the Scion xB. Those all look nice and tall.
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And to think, GM offered and perhaps pioneered tilt wheel, telescope
wheel, and (watch for it...) Tilt and Telescope Wheel before I was old
enough to drive.
gmfleet.com makes me think tilt-and-telescope (dunno if it's whole-
column tilt or wheel-tilt) is standard on fleet Pontiac G6's ... but
that for some reason it isn't even an option on their 2008 or 2009
fleet Impalas. Go figger.
Maybe if you're really nice they'll get you a G8... and a company gas
card -- when it's time to turn in the Impala!
I think we're going to Malibus next time around, if they ever actually
order new cars (stupid economy.) I'm totally OK with that assuming the
current generation is similar ergonomically to the previous one. I fit
much better into the 'bu than the Impala. The Impala does have a tilt
wheel but it doesn't telescope (or if it does, it doesn't come far
enough out, I forget which.) A larger range of steering wheel
adjustment, more seat height adjustment, and more lumbar support (my
back is very particular about car seats) would make me a much happier
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
If the Maxima is a "subcompact", as you put it, then what is "midsize"
in your world?
Oh, I see--you intended followups to go only to the GM newsgroup,
therefore "midsize" to you is a extended bed crew cab Silverado.
Cro-Magnon man walks among us.
C&D for a couple years added a category to their 10 Best list for each
car, but it's always been - these cars are the cars that we think are
THE BEST. Pretty much about the only rule is that it's average new car
price x 2.5 or so, ruling out Ferraris and whatnot because any car
that's 10x the average price of a car SHOULD be awesome.
It's their list, they can make up the rules however they want. :)
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