Re: Challenge every Red Light Camera Ticket!

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Bret Chase wrote:


And how much of the US gov's money do you think they would fork over to build all roads to be over top of each other? Further more what would you hazard a guess that would actually cost? In answer to 1st Q. I guess since the war is top priority, what with preserving oil rich countries for themselves I'd say may $50.00 each LOL then to answer 2nd, a trillion and a half USD LOL Sorry many I couldn't help myself.

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They've been here for a long time.
Try driving around Washington, DC.
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BTR1701 wrote:

And is that practical?
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Depends. Sometimes yes.
I've actually seen it happen on occasion.
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Plenty of volume in NYC. Redesigning won't stop all red light runners, but it will prevent most of them. -------------- Alex
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Alex, the REAL problem is that there are people who are willing to disobey the rules if they think they won't get caught. The cameras make it far more likely they will get caught, and thus reduces the vary serious problem of red light running.
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noname wrote:

Yes there are morons out there but the cameras have to be properly implemented not to have a *negative* impact on safety. Shorter yellow lights make an intersection less safe. Unfortunately shortened yellows also make money for the local gov't.
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Yep... if it were true. But it isn't.
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snipped-for-privacy@mindspring.com says...

It is true. There are guidelines that have to be followed when setting up the timing for intersections. You may want to take a peek at 'The Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices'. The guidelines are based on many years worth of data. If followed, you end up with a safer road. Not following the guidelines leads to dangerous road conditions. Not following the guidelines also allows unscrupulous companies to make money selling red light cameras, so they will compromise safety to make more money. --------------- Alex
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How do you know?
Other than just you saying so, I mean.
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One of the news magazine took a look at several of the lights people were complaining about. The yellows were not abnormally short for the speed of the intersection compared with intersections without cameras.

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you mean like this one?
http://wjz.com/localstories/local_story_233065958.html
or this one?
http://www.fcw.com/geb/articles/2001/sep/geb-comm2-09-01.asp
or this?
http://www3.roanoke.com/columnists/gottstein/11342.html
I can go on all day... google is your friend
nate
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Nate Nagel wrote:

Interesting articles, Nate.
I especially like these statements:
From the second article: "...the Lockheed Martin contract prevents the city of Tempe from extending the yellow light interval where Lockheed's cameras are in place."
From the third article: "In Virginia, a study conducted in 2001 in Fairfax County found that simply increasing the yellow time at a given intersection by 1.5 seconds reduced red-light infractions by 96 percent, which was significantly better than the drop in infractions resulting from the red light cameras they had installed."
I guess my take on the whole thing, since people's lives are at stake from red-light runners, is that camera ticketing can be used, but *NOT* until the legal system is set up to pay a *hefty* bounty to citizens who accurately report a short-cycled yellow, and the municipalities are forced to: (1) pay the bounty without delay and without challenge when the report is certified to be correct (false reporting would be met with a stiff fine to counter people who just want to put a roadblock in the way of the legal system), and (2) Shut down the camera until the intersection's timing system is subsequently *certified* to be within the legal parameters (which would be somethng like 4 seconds for a typical intersection).
Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x')
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Did you read the articles you posted? Most site the same San Diego cameras. 2.8 seconds versus 3 seconds. You think the lawyers' stop watch is that accurate? Also they give only one side of the story. I love the way lawyers are crooks when sueing McDonald's for too hot coffee but here they provide your facts even though they are advocates for one side.

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Well welcome to the Nanny state. I am glad you have no historical facts on freedom and responsibality. It is a direct afront to our fore fathers that such a unmaned automatic ticket machine is ok with you. Don`t be bitching when they come for your phone, computer, TV and any other thing you might do something illegal on. enjoy you monitored life. KB
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:01:25 +0000 (UTC), Kevin Bottorff
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You are a fool. Using automation to observe what is perfectly legal and desirable for police to observe is effective and efficient. It aint big brother to watch for violations in public spaces. I'm against violations of privacy, but this isn't it. You just don't like not being able to get away with what you shouldn't be doing. I'm glad for that.
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you are both morons.. those that run reds, will still run them. even with a shorter yellow interval.
same mentality with tail-gaters... they don't think they are tail-gating.
the shorter yellow will cause inconsistencies in driving habits until one gets used to it.
i prefer unmarked traffic police vehicles...
-a|ex
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every day at 2 intersections I go through. It funny, people actually stop when they know theres a camera.....
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Would you pull over for one? I know I wouldn't. Too many loonies out there pretending to be cops.
The state police in my state uses lots of different unmarked vehicles (Taurus, Crown Vic, even a few Chrysler products) and they will call for a marked vehicle to make the stop.
I think I'd just get on my cell phone to verify that the guy behind me was real before I pulled over.
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Many years ago I recall hearing that the German approach was to have large numbers of clearly marked police cars -- to deter rather than simply apprehend lawbreakers.
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