Re: G M is still number one in 2006

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LOL. I think the Ford Focus set a record for the most recalls for one model. My neice couldn't wait to trade her Focus in for a Corolla. Are you living in an upside down world? I think so.
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A big difference with imports is they keep them in the home markets for several years before exporting them to us. The locals suffer with the new build bugs. The Honda Fit is just coming to Canada, that's 4+ years after it was available in Japan.
I've suffered a few times with new mechanical design on NA cars. Thanks to the internet info, which now makes it easy for me to avoid significant new mechanical design for at least two years.
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NEVER BUY A FORD...THEY ARE ALL RECALLED AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MILLIONS OF MOTORIST FATALITIES....FORD IS A SCAM
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Your full of shit. Gm is the biggest scam artist going.
Ray

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Nice to see that the old Ford/GM rivalry has degenerated into a race to the bottom.
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Stereo bankruptcy?
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If this keeps up, GMs sales may drop by the millions. Perhaps even all the way down to the level of Toyota or Honda sales numbers. I doubt GMs sales will ever go THAT low, since the largest current recall is from Toyota for several million cars that can lose steering control. ;)
mike hunt

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On Wed, 31 May 2006 09:12:50 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

Hey Mike, did you see the May sales report?
Here are the highlights
                May 2006 Vehicle Sales                     (thousands)
            cars        trucks    total GM            126.9    208.5    335.4 Ford             99.3    161.7    261.0 DC             52.0    139.2    191.3
Toyota        144.9    90.8        235.7 Honda         84.9    56.9        141.8
Analysis (and some more facts):
Mike likes to say how much GM outsells Honda and Toyota combined. Hey Mike, do the math; it wasn't true in May. Look how close Toyota is to Ford in total vehicles. If the May trends were to hold up, Toyota would outsell Ford in 2007. Toyota would outsell GM in 2008.
Now that won't happen because Toyota doesn't have the capacity... yet. And we can't be too serious about extrapolating from one month's sales, but it sure was an interesting month.
The number one CAR maker in May is Toyota. Honda is closing in on number three (Ford). Trucks are rapidly losing their attraction as gas prices soar. (cars sales up 6% in May, trucks down 7%.) Honda car sales were up 20%. Toyota +25% Ford +6% GM car sales were DOWN 16%.
A lot more of the trucks that are being sold are from Honda (+9%) and Toyota (+7%) rather than GM (-10%) and Ford (-7%).
GM total vehicle sales are down 8% YTD vs. 2005. Recall that those 2005 sales were so bad that GM ran the biggest fire sale in history. No doubt that major sell-off (and the prospect of another one) is depressing GM and Ford sales now. In the short term GM will cut production. If that is not enough, another fire sale may be in order. In the long term, GM will have to contract their business or go out of business all together. That is when Toyota will pass them.

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Re-read the post. There is not doubt GM and Ford are loosing share of the growing market, but they still are outselling any import brand.
mike hunt

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Why does anyone here waste their time talking about General Motors, Ford or the fact that when you buy a Mercedes now you get a Chrysler trasmission and/or engine? This is HONDA! Talk about HONDA. They make world class vehicles that are heads above GM, Ford & DC. These 3 do not sell squat outside of the US and the only thing that keeps them afloat are fleet sales for pickups and SUVS that have 1950s technology. Let's keep the discussion to HONDA here. If you want talk about GM, go to GM's newsgroups. There, you can discuss the Hummer and all their other 1950s pickups and SUVS.
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Bob Palmer wrote:

Actually, GM & Ford overseas operations are quite profitable. It's the domestic scene where they suck...
JT
(Who hates GM and doesn't have a lot of affection for Ford either...)
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:12:02 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

Re-red the reply dingbat. No disagreement that GM and Ford currently outsell any import brand. But Ford and GM are not just losing share, they are losing sales fast. And just to specifically highlight those vehicle sales results:
            May                YTD Ford        260,985 - 2%        1,199,566 - 3% Toyota    235,708 + 17%        1,000,524 +9%
Ford still outsells Toyota, but not by much. If the current trend were to hold for a couple years, Toyota would be outselling Ford.

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I guess your figures are for US only
Toyota is number two in the world and closing in on GM fast
GM is decreasing world wide and question is what will make Toyota number one faster Toyotas increasing production and sales or GMs losing ground
Toyota will not increase faster than they can do the whole marketing chain properly
Toyota is not only about producing more and then try to sell
That is a major component in their strategy and is what makes them number one soon
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That is correct. Thanks for clarifying.

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Has the situation improved or got worse in one year?
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_19/b3932001_mz001.htm
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Gordon McGrew wrote:

Just wait until the Chinese makers swarm in and start taking share from the rental fleet sales :(.
John
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That is going to piss of Honda and Toyota, who are trying hard to break into the corporate fleet and the rental fleet markets. Honda and Toyota have had near zero penetration with the corporate fleets, but some success in with the rental fleets. Honda and Toyota can not beat the Korean cars penetration of the corporate fleet and rental fleet markets now. One can only wonder what will happen when the Chinese become their competitor. ;)
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:28:02 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

Honda and Toyota are capacity constrained. That is why Honda just announced that they are building another US factory. Since they can't keep up with the highly profitable retail demand, why would they want to underbid GM, Ford and the Koreans for the bottom feeding fleet market?
GM and Ford need the fleet sales to keep their volumes up. Otherwise, the fixed costs kill them. GM vows to limit their fleet sales this year. Since their retail sales are in the toilet, they will either have to relent or seriously reduce production. Maybe both.

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Ya right, that is why there account executives where always in our offices trying to get some more of the fleet business. Toyota and Honda and most every other manufacture sells to fleet if they can
In the order banks the first vehicles scheduled for each build cycle on the assembly line are dealers RETAIL orders than dealer stock orders, dealers fleet orders are last. It is only when the assembly plant is in a position to fill a very large order for a fleet that those orders are given preference, and the reason is to build them all at the some time to move the line faster. Where do you come up with your strange ideas?
mike
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