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----- Original Message -----
Newsgroups: alt.autos.ford,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.subaru Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: GM's Dick Wagonwheel dont wanna rub butts in bed with french

Well Canada and Mexico are part of North America. And as a Canadian friend pointed out, Canadians are Americans (well at least those that don't live in Quebec). In fact any resident of North or South America can claim to be an American. I know most residents of the United States think that we are THE Americans, but that is not technically correct. In fact we don't have a common name that concretely separates US residents from other residents of the Americas (like Canadian, or Mexican). I also imagine the contracts specify that the 70% content must come from North American sources (which still includes Mexico in my Geography books - Central America begins at Belize).
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Not so, as it applies to the VIN. '2' is indicated for Canada and '3' is indicated for Mexico, evn if all of the parts happened to be NAP or even American made Content as it apples to the VIN is ONLY American. The US it is '1' if over 70% '4' if more than 40% but less than 70% '5' if less than 40% AMERICAN NOT North American content. This is the last time I will try to enlighten anybody on this subject. You're free to believe whatever you chose, if that is what you prefer
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mike, it's obvious you work for GM...if i were you i'd cash out....there may be no pension when the time comes
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Hell I don't even own a GM vehicle, fact are facts ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:

Does that mean they have the higher CAFEs than Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc?
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Not necessarily. CAFE has to do with the average of all vehicles sold, an Toyota and Honda sell more small and midget cars.
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Mike Hunter wrote:

So why did you make the claim about gas mileage? Also are you counting cars that are nearly identical as different models or as a single model. For example, the Toyota Echo and Scion Xa are nearly identical.
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What I said was both GM and Ford offer more different vehicles that get 30 or more MPG than does ANY import.
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Toyota has nine differnt vehicles that get 30 MPG or more, GM has thirteen an Ford has fifteen. ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:

Thank you, Rain Man.
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MaceFace wrote:

Hmmm, then why is GM constantly at risk of failing to meet CAFE requirements while Toyota and Honda easily beat the threshold year after year. I guess that is because GM is the fuel economy leader, eh Mikey?
Also, having a large number of models is GM's problem, not it's strength. How about ONE world class minivan instead of four second rate dogs? "GM offers more models of Minivans than any other company in the world" .... but so what?
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Having a lot of similar models *can* be a strength. For example, the different models can appeal to different types of people or people with different budgets.
As far as the meeting the CAFE, there are two reasons that come to my mind: 1) People don't care that much about fuel economy when gas is cheap, so they go for the bigger engine, bigger car, etc.; 2) GM doesn't do much to improve fuel economy, like make its engines more efficent. So it is both GM and its buyers.
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I would guess because CAFE is based on the Average of units Sold. GM might have more models that get 30+ mpg, but if they sell 5-10 times the number of trucks and truck-based SUV's as Toyota, it pulls the average down. And where did anyone read GM is "constantly" at risk of failing to meet CAFE requirements? First I've ever heard of it, and since the media seems intent on tearing into GM at every chance, you'd think it would be front- page WSJ!
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http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Vehicle%20Safety/Articles/Associated%20Files/SummaryFuelEconomyPerformance-2005.pdf
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a surprisingly interesting read for a government report. It still doesn't substaniate the claim that GM "struggles" to meet CAFE standards every year. Sure, their car average exceeds CAFE by 1.5 mpg while Honda's may by 8 mpg, but that doesn't mean GM is stuggling. It means honda sells a LOT of 4 cyl. accords and civics.
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Now cut that out, logic is not allowed in the NGs discussions, only personal opinions ;)
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