Rumor is..GM may sell a Division

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GM could kill a division but rumor is GM may offer a division for sell to be picked up by another manufacturer. Can you imagine Pontiac being owned by
Nissan or Honda?...how does a Nissan Pontiac GTO sound? Some are saying it makes more sense to sell a division than to just let it go away, it has been done before several times by other manufacturers...Rambler was picked by Chrysler at least what was left of it (jeep div).
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Johnny Action wrote:

I'd drop saab or the part ownership of subaru such first
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Probably won't be an auto division. They also make their own parts. They've already combined AC with Delphi(Saginaw Steering Gear) and spun off Delphi, sold DirecTV and that leave PowerTrain Division, engines and transmissions.
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Actually Rambler died along with American Motors. Jeep was originally picked up by GM (if memory serves me correctly) and then GM sold Jeep to Chrysler.
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Actually, Jeep was first Willys owned (if you could think of it that way). Willys was bought by Kaiser in 1953, became Kaiser-Jeep in 1963. AMC bought them in 1970. Chrsyler then bought AMC in 1983. And its been there ever since.
What you may have been thinking of was the Buick V6 which was sold to Kaiser in 1967 but they used it in 1965. In 1974 AMC (remember they bought Kaiser by now) sold the engine back to Buick.
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Didn't some Jeeps (early 80s?) come with the Chevy iron duke 4 banger? How did that come to pass? <curious>
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SBlackfoot wrote:

GM sells drivetrain components and other things to anyone with the money. Transmissions to Volvo comes to mind and Volvo is owned by Ford.
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Hit it on the nail. One of the first examples that popped into my head though was GM selling transmissions to BMW (the 5L40E if I remember correctly).
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Johnny Action wrote:

The obvious choice is Saab. Of course, that may not be enough and they may have to sell Land Rover too(both of which are not necessarry to thier survival OR sell terribly well)
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> GM could kill a division but rumor is GM may offer a division for sell to be

Sure SAAB, LR and how about Holden. Powertrain division I could see gone too. Then GM only builds cars and doesn't make parts any more, I think Powertrain is the only parts division left.
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Selling powertrain makes no sense at all.
What major automobile manufacturer outsources it's primary engine supply?
John
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The Saturn Vue V6 is a Honda engine, if I remember correctly.
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Yes, there are various makes and models where one company supplies the engines for specific models or markets, just as Mitsubishi and VW at times supplied lots of engines to Chrysler. GM Powertrain sells transmissions to BMW, Volvo and others. Those are special cases though.
Note that I said _primary_ engine supply for a manufacturer.
I don't see GM getting into a mode where they ever buy the majority of their engines from outside suppliers.
I can imagine GM Powertrain selling off it's transmission design and manufacturing as a possibility. Aisin, ZF or another transmission specialist might be an interestesting choice.
John
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I can't think of any either. I guess a decision like that would be based on how badly GM needed cash to keep the overall business running. It surely would be more costly for them long term (one would think) Right now though the matter at hand is short term. Hmmm...interesting scenario though.
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I don't see that GM selling off the Transmission R&D. That's the one place where GM actually has an upper hand in the market.
And I'm aware that the GM/ Ford joint venture on a 6-speed is a special case, but I'd love to see either the 350 or the 3800 mated to it. Vuarra
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur. (That which is said in Latin sounds profound.)
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Compared to what company? GM is hardly producing the most advanced transmissions in the world.
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John Horner wrote:

On what planet do you live? GM has had and continues to have some of the most bullit proof transmissions made. Just compare the smooth shifting of any GM transmission to Ford or Chrysler or any of the rice burners and you will see. GM's 4T65 is one of the most used transmissions and has no equal anywhere. Even Volvo and BMW use it in certain applications.
Do your homework before having a brain fart.
Having an advanced transmission doesn't mean it's reliable. When GM says it's good, then it's good, at least as far as trannys go.
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It's smooth sure, but I didn't know that BMW has or had a FWD car.
BTW, GM rates that the 4T65-E can only handle 280 lb ft of torque. What Volvo did with the S80 is they took took a couple, found out what pieces went bad and replaced them with upgraded pieces. Originally they rated the S80 at something higher then the 280 lb ft that it ended up with, which they had to do to get GM to sell the transmissions to them.
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I>t's smooth sure, but I didn't know that BMW has or had a FWD car.

OK, BMW RWD Volvo FWD. GM makes both.
4T65-E HD in GM premium FWD superchargerd cars. Volvo 4T65's are the HD. Of course Volvo made a few minor changes to the 4T65, they don't use GM engines! by the way, Volvo would not have chosen the 4T65 if it wasn't the superior design, quality and price and the ability of GM to supply the required amount.
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I say it was more a convience factor. If all they had to do was a little bit of work to get them up to their specs why not do it? They don't have to use GM engines either for the tranny and engine to match up. If a car company wanted to they could make an engine that would match up with a stock GM tranny.
"They took 5 4T65E's back to Sweden. They intentionally grenaded two of them to find the weaker links within. When I say grenaded, they ran them pretty much like Frank Gore at Shannonville but twice as hard. Sure enough, parts broke and Volvo began to take apart the three good ones to see where the parts could be improved. In all, Volvo removed 90 parts and replaced them with heavier duty parts or completely re-engineered new pieces with slightly changed configurations. They added a Geartronic function as well. The S80 was originally rated at something like 275 HP and 295 ft lbs of torque. GM complained stating that their 4T65E could only handle a reliable 280 ft lbs. Rather than stepping on any toes Volvo agreed to post the S80 at 268 and 280. True output is indeed higher and now that IPD has introduced ECU upgrades for the S80, this engine is making 330 HP and 352 ft/lbs of torque - RELIABLY and without ANY ill effects directed at the tranny. I've also been told that this is still only 80% of the transmissions reliable capacity so add another 20% to the totals and you'll be looking at a spec that the 4T65EG can handle. I hope to have a complete list of these 90 parts and engineering changes so that we may investigate compatibility with GM parts and perhaps find a way, other than Level 10, to beef our trannies for the long run."
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