Sad day for America

Social Security was tweaked alright, so it could be robbed by the Politicians, that is why it is Bankrupt today.

The healthcare will Bankrupt the country, in less than ten years. No county can spend trillions of dollars it does not have and not go Bankrupt.

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Mike Hunter
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Can you say DOUBLE DEPRESSION!

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Michael Dobony

I wonder how many of you that think the so called health care bill is a GOOD thing, would like to see the government pass a law that says if you don't own a car you MUST buy one from GM?

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Mike Hunter

Better analogy: the car is like your body. Being forced to buy health insurance is akin to being forced to buy car insurance.

Reply to
Obveeus

The title "commonwealth" emphasizes that the state is for the common good of its citizens. So PA is still a state, but its official title is "The Commonwealth of PA".

Three: MA, KY and Puerto Rick (which is a territory of the US).

Jeff

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dr_jeff

Or, alternatively, the hospital will run in the black as a business, but provide poor service for those it is supposed to serve. Just like many businesses do a good job of serving their stock brokers, but no their costumers (drug companies come to mind).

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dr_jeff

The Allentown State Hospital is being closed because the other hosptials in the area (especially, Lehigh Valley Health Network), there will be limited economic impact and the property can be used for other uses.

Gee, if you don't pay hospitals enough, they will close. What a surprise.

Gee, they will still be taxed 2.3%.

They won't get me. I will be cremated.

Gee, the banks weren't adding anything of value to the loans. We don't owe the banks a living.

Gee, why do people deserve good-paying jobs when the job they do can just as easily administered by colleges/universities or the government without paying banks thousands of dollars to administer loans that they can't lose money on.

Three drowns? What, are they under water?

Really? Evidence please.

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dr_jeff

You mean like the "best care anywhere."

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Jeff

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dr_jeff

Even better analogy is being force to buy clothes.

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dr_jeff

I guess we can assume you have never been in the Wilkes-Berre VA Hospital. There are more government employees sitting around on any given day than patients. A prime example of government healthcare workers at "work." LOL

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Mike Hunter

Here are some references on how the civilized world does health care:

Sick Around the World

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The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

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"The world health report 2007 - A safer future: global public health security in the 21st century"

Full report download as a .pdf file:

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Healthcare For All: In Western Europe Its a Reality

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France: Health Care for All
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Germany: Health Care for All
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Great Britain: Health Care for All
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Netherlands: Health Care for All
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Switzerland: Health Care for All
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Health Care: An International Comparison

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Netherlands' Health Care Reflects National Values
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Keeping German Doctors On A Budget Lowers Costs
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France At Forefront Of Free, Innovative Cancer Care
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While the U.S. Spends Heavily on Health Care, a Study Faults the Quality
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After-Hours Doctor Calls Save Holland Money
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Healthcare Debate References

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Side-by-side comparison the major health care reform proposals. Assembled and frequently updated by The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation.
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Following the Money: Health Care Use this BILL MOYERS JOURNAL guide to trace campaign contributions, ad spending and the revolving door between industry and government.
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The Health Care Reform Plans Use this BILL MOYERS JOURNAL guide to follow the debate over the many health care plans.
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Documents During his interview with Wendell Potter
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Moyers read from confidential documents drafted by America's HealthInsurance Plans (AHIP) in May and June of 2007. The documents outline aunified strategy for AHIP members to prepare for the release of MichaelMoore's documentary, SICKO on June 29, 2007. You can download and read the full AHIP documents by clicking here
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and here
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(PDFs). The Language of Health Care 2009 (PDF) The Frank Luntz memo strategizing opposition to health care reform Bill Moyers mentions in the interview.
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GOP Health Care Strategy (PDF) Strategy memo by Alex Castellanos dated July 7, 2009.
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Congressional Budget Office reports The Congressional Budget Office has released a number of documents on health care reform plans. The CBO's director also maintains a blog.
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Reply to
Jim_Higgins

They are very different animals. The car insurance that one is required to buy is to protect OTHERS whom you may injure while enjoying the PRIVILEGE of driving on the public highways.

One is not required to buy parts "B" or "D" but the current law is forcing YOU to buy a commodity from the very people who BO and the Dims have been saying who are the CAUSE of our so called "healthcare problem," the INSURANCE companies. If you do not buy healthcare insurance from an insurance company you will be fined an additional 3.5% on you GROSS income. If you don't pay the extra tax you can be put in jail! Is that the change you expect when YOU voted for these loons? Is it any wonder 3/25/2010 will all go down in infamy along with 12/7/1941 and 9/11/2001? LOL

Better analogy: the car is like your body. Being forced to buy health insurance is akin to being forced to buy car insurance.

Reply to
Mike Hunter

What?

Reply to
Mike Hunter

You forgot to say it was your opinion as well, not a fact.

Reply to
Mike Hunter

Dr Jeff must be one of Dr Brinkley's students.

Charles Grozny

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charlesgrozny

You sure you not smoking the shix Mike, :) seems like a paradox, LOL. Mebey the obama is the one who's smokin-it-shix.

Too funny, but maybe it's not in the long run.

Reply to
dbu''

What?

Reply to
Mike Hunter

Obveeus wrote: Being forced to buy health insurance is akin to being forced to buy car insurance. ______________________________________________________________

Both situations are bizarre; if public insurance coverage must be universal, it should be paid through taxes, administered by free-enterprise businesses, and monitored for recipient/ administrator/provider fraud by government auditors.

Government mal-administration of mandatory car insurance purchase has left us with no protection from being harmed by the worst, most dangerous drivers, who refuse to pay for the required insurance. Please don't point out that it's not "mandatory" if you give up the right to drive.

Government administration of mandatory health insurance payment by individuals is a new proposition. A whole new government bureaucracy will be needed to administer the extraction of cash from individuals, under complex formulas, instead of just funding the insurance through the tax code.

People are accustomed to paying taxes according to whatever class they are in with respect to income size, property value, or item purchases, but I hope that 300 million citizens are not going to placed into a data base so government tax collectors can identify them and take payments from them individually.

It's a nightmare in the making.

Rodan.

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Rodan

"Rodan"

I have a relative by that name...

Reply to
Lady Liberty

Again, this was not life threatening. Do you read what is written?

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Steve Stone

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