What the heck are you talking about?
You made an absurd statement citing a non-existent J.D. Power survey result.
You were asked to supply a link to this survey. You provided precisely
nothing...because your statement was spun out of hot air and nothing more
and you cannot provide any support for it.
Cut it out Mike!
No one is buying it.
Seriously, I have a couple friends with Elantras and they love them to
death. I have never driven one so I can't say whether a "car guy"
would find one appealing or not, but the price and warranty is hard to
beat. A friend's wife just got a new one, the interior is best
described as "bargain basement VW-esque" which really isn't all bad.
It could pass for a VW except the materials are just a little
cheaper-feeling and appearing. This probably won't be welcome news to
most readers of this newsgroup, but it is a lot less Spartan and
uninviting than that of my Impala...
A little bit less than totally relevant, because our Hyundai is an '04 and
the '06's are a new styling, but we do have one in our garage. It was hard
for a dyed in the wool GM guy to make a non-GM purchase, but I had rented a
ton of Hyundai's while traveling for my job. (That's one of the ways I use
to help decide what I might buy when I'm in the market).
I bought our Hyundai for my wife and it's an '04 Sonata GLS. Very nice car.
Unbelievable power out of a little 2.7L motor. Unbelievable. The car is
well built and extremely quiet and smooth to drive. In fact, every time I
get in to drive the car I am amazed at how smooth the ride is.
The seats are not what I'm used to in a GM though. They are harder and they
don't have the same support for your thighs that a GM seat has. They aren't
uncomfortable in any way, but the feel is different and it takes getting
used to. I prefer the GM feel much more. Other than the feel of the seats,
the interior of her car is what I call "very Buick-esq". It just looks and
feels like you're in a Buick when you climb into the cabin.
Pre-2006 Hyundai Sonatas (not sure of the rest of the fleet) used a timing
belt instead of a chain in the engine. Since these are interference
engines, you have to change the belt every 60,000 miles. For car guys, it's
a Saturday project. Hyundai is very good about honoring warranty if work is
done by someone other than a Hyundai, but wants to see genuine Hyundai parts
used in the repair to keep the warranty alive. If you take the car to a
dealer for the belt changes, costs range anywhere between $350-$800 for
parts and labor on this job, depending on where you live in the country.
These costs typically cover the timing belt, idler, water pump (since they
are working under the timing cover, these are often replaced as a matter of
practice, not because the warranty requires it), and the exterior belts -
since they have to come off anyway.
I only detailed that little tid-bit for the sake of putting what I consider
to be the biggest maintenance issue of our Hyundai out on the table.
Again - beginning in '06 some if not all of the Hyundai motors went to a
timing chain, so this piece of work isn't even necessary with them. But in
the grand scheme of things, that is really not a killer maintenance
requirement every 60,000 miles.
All in all the Sonata is a fine car - a great car when you consider what
you get for the price. You'll leave thousands in the savings account that
you would have spent on any other brand - Toyota included. I took my wife
out for a test drive in an Elantra when we bought the Sonata. Not the same
class of car. Think Cavalier.
Your impression will be interesting. I know of the Hyundai of some years
back that was a horrid pile of rust. While they have improved greatly, my
perception is that I'm not ready to spend $27,000 for one yet, but I may be
They've changed a great deal Edwin. Like I said in a previous post, it took
a lot to get a dyed in the wool GM guy like me to buy one, but there is one
in my garage now. It sits among 4 GM vehicles, but it's there. Don't take
that full $27,000 to the dealership when you go to buy that car though.
Street prices on these cars is significantly less than sticker.
There's actually a fairly frank and honest environment over in
alt.autos.hyundai. Lots of free discussion among owners and prospective
owners of different Hyundai models. I'd suggest a brief visit over to there
for some looks at what people are thinking of the newer Hyundai's.
A few years ago, they apparently had the technology and the prestige of a
Lada. We'll see.
The Dallas auto ads in last weeks paper had the Azera, which is -I guess-
the top of the line, at a little over $21,000
Well, the test drive is over, and I'll have to say that the Hyundai Azera is
Workmanship and materials look very good, the ride is smooth and quiet, and
the power from the V6 3.7 litre engine is ample.
It appears to be quite a nice car.
HLS, reading between the lines, I'd suggest that your comments seem a
bit less than enthusiastic. (It appears to be quite a nice car.) When
the average person gets excited about a car, we tend to hear
superlatives, such as "amazing" or "great". You probably found out that
there wasn't a lot of truth to the "claim in the latest Popular Science
that the Azera is a fine car...a 'budget Lexus'." Other than having
four wheels, there really isn't much to compare to the Lexus. Tastes in
automotive styling are completely subjective and the Azera is quite
frankly...really bland, IMHO.
But using Mike Hunter logic, that must mean it's still a good car.
After all, that's the way a lot of us feel about new GM products (other
than the obvious mistakes) and he still keeps telling us we ought to buy
them because they are so great. Which is exactly the point I was trying
to make by bringing up Hyundai.
For a personal vehicle, I'd still buy a Hyundai before a GM product
though. And that's coming from someone who pretty much comes from an
all-GM-buying family; my dad bought his '67 Cutlass new and drove the
wheels off the damn thing. If I could buy a new one of those, I'd be
burning rubber down to my local Olds dealer instead of typing this message.
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
Then it really depends on where you are in life and what suits your
needs or your family's needs. A bland car that provides all round good
service and reliability is sometimes a practical solution to ones
needs. There are times to buy flash and performance and there are times
to trend to the practical side. i.e. What's the best deal for the car I
need at this point in my life?
I share the shudder... Had I not checked out the same accounts, I would have
probably already bought. Passat is probably not in my immediate future.
If VW wanted to, they could whip the reliability and customer relations
in a flash and get on with business...I get the impression that they have
constipation just like GM.
Other than a ridiculously high price, what is so special about an
over-priced Toyota? Toyota literally defines "boring over priced sedan."
Lexus is just the nth degree of the genre. At least the Azera is cheaper.
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