Was bending my ear to the next "customer" who wanted his tires replaced
because they have worn out. 40K miles. He could not show evidence he had
ever rotated/balanced since new. Of course he was all ticked off and left
some of his tread on the service driveway.
Why do that? If your car is indeed eligible for the extended warranty and
has an indication of gelling the dealer will do that at no charge. Have you
switched to synthetic oil as Toyota now suggests? I would, if I had not.
Everybody needs to understand that Mike is lying. Unless he can
actually back up these claims (he can't 'cause they are not true), pay
no attention to him. He is only here for one reason, and this is to
discredit Toyota 'cause Ford can't compete with them.
Everytime this subject comes upo, he all of a sudden has even more
first hand knowledge and now claims to have seen a half dozen sludged
up engines in his fleet. How many years ago was this? Funny how he is
just now mentioning this.
There are no TSBs for sludge. There are no sludged up engines were the
owner can prove oil changes, some claim but no proof, and certainly no
sludged up engines when serviced at a dealer. Hunt claimed once to have
seen the official letter, but evidently he was the only one they showed
it to and they destroyed the only copy after showing it to him.
Same old same old. Get real the widely published fact that Toyota extend
the warranty on the effected engine to eight years, unlimited mileage,
authorized dealers to 'clean repair or replace any engine exhibiting
'gelling,' as Toyota refers to the sludge problem, and changing the head on
all of the effected engines built after August of 2003, as published in
Automotive News and other trade magazines at the time, proves it was not
owner neglect. No matter how many times you chose to believe of say
otherwise teh fact will not change.
Nice diversion try, but you weren't talking about the waranty
externsion, you were talking about the head changes. Face it you're a
lying troll. Unless you can prove the shit you're spewing, shut the
You are the one who is wrong as usual. I never said there was a recall on
the head. I said was Toyota was using a new head design on all cars built
after of August 2003. Do a search and educate yourself, WBMA You don't
know what you are talking about again, so go away, troll. LOL
Who said you said there was a recal on the heads? You don't even know
what your arguing about.
You said this, amoungst other things that were not true.
"Toyota issued numerous TSBs, change the head on
all effected engines, built as of August of 2003. Switched to a
There were no "numerous TSBs" on the affected engines.
The effected engines do not include 2003 models, so I have no idea why
you think this has anything to do with this. There also was no
recommendation to switch to synthetic oils for the affected engines.
Also you never saw a document from Toyota saying that engines serviced
at the dealer showed sludge problems. I also suspect you're lying
about any first hand knowledge you are claiming, 'cause that's what you
The only truth is the extended waranty, and nobody is disputing that,
'cause like the reset of your crap, that actually happened.
Ya right, everything I said was based on facts related to the warranty
extension. You expect anybody reasonable person would ever believe that ANY
manufacture would extend a warrant for owner neglect? That is asinine.
Facts are facts and unless you are the warranty claims person for a
dealership or a fleet service company you have no idea what was happening at
dealerships at that time. Your opinion is just that, only one more from the
Toyota apologist that live in a dream world where Toyotas do not have
problem just like every other manufacture. ;)
FACT. Owners started to complain of overheated engines. The problem was
found to be sludge in the head. Toyota had designed a more efficient head
to improve emission and fuel economy. Toyota at first blamed the sludge on
owners not change oil, according to the warrant manual, and asked for proof
that the oil was changed. Eventually warranty claims for problem, which
showed oil was starting to coke around the valves restricting oil flow, in
engines that were serviced as
required at dealerships became to increase. Toyota issued TSBs on how to
correct the problem. One suggestion, particularly for vehicles use for
short trips, was to switch to synthetic oil. Eventually Toyota suggest
synthetic be used in all dealerships oil changes. As the problem begin to
appear in news reports on wed sites dedicated to sledge, and in trade
magazines like 'Automotive News' in growing numbers Toyota advised the
Dealers Principals that a warranty extension was being instituted for those
engines effected by 'gelling,' as they called it, and that the problem
should be going away because the head used after August 2003 was not the
same. Dealerships were authorized to 'clean, repair or replace any engine
effect by the 'gelliing' for eight years, unlimited mileage, if the owner
would 'attest' that the oil was changed as required, even if it was not
changed at a dealership..
Sort of reminds me of the Toyota sludge recall - oh wait, the Sludge
Customer Satisfaction Program. I am still waitign for Toyota to fix the
paint on the sorry Cressida we owned (the worse POS I ever owned). Or maybe
you are thinking of the Toyota V-6 head gasket fiasco. Or maybe you are
thinking of how Toyota had to dragged kicking and screaming by NHTSA into
recalling cerain trucks to address the high rate of ball joint failures for
certain models. When you have some time go to the NHTSA web site and review
the documents. It is hilarious. First Toyota claimed there was not a
problem. Then the claimed it was the suppliers fault. Then they stalled for
months. Finally they admitted there was a problem and did the right thing
after a couple of years.....
At least with Ford you can get an inkling of the potential problems by
reviewing the titles of the various TSBs. Most of the Japanese manufacturers
are restricting access to this information. I recently purchased a Nissan
Frontier. After I purchased the vehicle, I got a recall notice. Never saw
the recall mentioned anywhere. Then I started checking and after I paid for
access to the Nissan information service, I found that my 2006 vehicle
already had over 50 TSB again it. 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for a 2006 vehicle. So I
started poking around and found out both Toyota and Honda are pulling the
same stunt. I suppose they are hoping if you don't know there is a fault in
the design you might not notice the problem.
I had a 1997 Ford Expedtion with the 5.4L engine. There were lots of
complains about this engine having piston slap problems. Heck, there were
even web pages where you could download the sound. I heard a couple myself.
Ford said it wasn't a problem, but it worried a lot of people to death and
eventually Ford replaced a lot of engines to keep Customers happy. So last
year when I was looking for a new Pick-up Truck I spent a lot of time
looking at Tundras. I test drove three. All three sounded like rock crushers
when they were first started. They were all far worse than any 5.4L
Expedition I have ever heard. I commented on this to the various sales
people. They all said the nosie was completely normal and not to worry about
it. And just like the Fords, as soon as the engine warmed up slightly, the
noise went away. So it appears to me there are double standards out there -
Toyota crap is OK (especially if you don't know it is crap) and Ford or GM
crap really stinks.
You mean like Toyota does? See comments about V-6 Engines and Ball
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:18:43 -0400, SimonLW wrote:
I think you missed a couple "Toyotas" there.
But when you figure, Toyota makes almost as many cars as GM, and sells
them all over the world, and the last 'recall' I had on a '95 Tercel was
to replace a screw holding the antenna to the car so AM radio would work,
I think I'll stick with Toyota for a while longer...
My 02 Highlander was recalled. It took less than 5 minutes.
Apparently a clamp on some gas tank to fuel line "might" be turned
slightly. Thus the recall/inspection. Apparently there was the
possibility of this clamp if in the wrong position maybe hitting the
vehicle floor pan in an accident.
But it was a recall statistic.
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