Claim: Thieves have stolen cars by using VINs to obtain duplicate keys
through auto dealerships.
There you go, mike. NOT an urban legend.
E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.
There is nothing in the VIN# sequence itself that reveals the key code.
That is correct. However, the VIN# is a unique number. It is a very simple
database that can cross reference the VIN# to what key code is for that
vehicle. It's the same process whereby your insurance company knows from
the VIN# if your car has ABS or not. The fact it has ABS (or not) is not
anywhere within the VIN#, but they know from the VIN# none-the-less since
the VIN# opens a database record of all sorts of other (separate)
information about the car.
This is really very elementary database concepts....very easy to do. Not
sure why you're so hung up on "where in the VIN# itself the key code is",
since that is irrelevant. Any junior database designer can tie any separate
piece of data to any unique number, be it a key code or what color the
buyers eyes are (if they wanted to).
I know all about VIN number and invoices. I was in manufacturing
for thirty years as a design Engineer and Group Sales Manager for
ten year for one of the largest megadealerships on the east cost,
with 28 stores that sold just about any brand, you can name The
fact remains one can not steal a vehicle by simply knowing the
VIN and going to a dealership and obtaining a key as the original
poster suggest. If you think you can then please do us all a
favor take that VIN number, for the vehicle that guy recently
posted, do you simple database search and tell us the key code
for that vehicle..
"James C. Reeves" wrote:
As I posted earlier, I did just this (dealership needed a title and
photo ID, dialed an automated GM line, entered my VIN number, got a
faxback with the correct PASS-KEY and keycodes to cut duplicate keys
(ignition and door lock)). Said keys were just like the ones I got from
the factory, and opened and started the car multiple times (until I
found the missing keys/fob under the seat of my wife's car :-)
I know you don't want to believe you're wrong, but you're wrong...
Thanks for helping to prove me point, that the original post was
BS. You just demonstrated that one can not steal a vehicle by
simply knowing the VIN and going to a dealership and obtaining a
key as the original poster suggested. You had to prove to the
dealership that you were the owner before they would cut you a
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
You really are pathetic, Mike. You just keep weaselling
around as everyone points out the fact that the key code is
"tied" to the VIN. Now you are going to pretend that your
"real" point was that you can't just waltz into a dealership
and get a key cut for any old VIN you want. Just say "I
was wrong, you guys were right"....it's not that hard.
I talked to the parts guys at work today, of course everything
I've been saying about this is true. In fact, unless you bought
the car at our store, you "must" have the VIN in order to
get the key code. Obviously, you also have to provide proof
of ownership, photo id...yada yada yada....we already knew
all that. The parts personnel will log onto the GM ACCESS
site, punch in the VIN number and hey presto...there is
the key code, complete with any info necessary if the key happens
to be a security key. In other words, if the key has a resistor, that
VIN will tell you what resistance "that" key will be.
Our dealership also ties the key code to the service record of
the vehicle if it was bought at our dealership. So regular
customers don't have to jump through all the hoops to get
a key made.
I think you owe everyone in this thread a hundred dollars.
I'd be happy to send you a Paypal invoice if you want!
Not only that, but everyone needs to consider criminal element.
Professional theives will not need to rely on getting lucky or finding
a dealer who is lax on ID check. Professional theives will have an
inside person. Ametuer thieves might not be successful getting away
with you car from the VIN, but let a pro see you VIN at your own risk.
Can't hurt to cover the VIN, might help.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:38:18 -0500, Isaiah Beard
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:30:54 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org
Professional theives will find other ways of getting into your car
should they find the VIN difficult to get a look at. That's why
they're professional theives.
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound.)
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